AGW supporters what if Global Warming was caused by solar variability?

Question

And you were presented with data that explained that solar variability was responsible for the temperature variations over the last 50 years, and there was a possibility that the world could experience a dangerous cooling episode in the near future, and all your theories were wrong, what would you do?

A) Continue with the deception.

B) Attempt to predict how bad things could be in the future.

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http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SvensmarkPaper.pdf
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10may_longrange.htm
http://www.surfacestations.org/USHCN_stationlist.htm
http://www.geography.uc.edu/~kenhinke/uhi/Hinkel&Nelson_JGR-A_2007.pdf
http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm

SJ:

Have you been hiding under a rock? the world is being told that the planet will continue warming and sea level's will continue to rise causing major coastal flooding. I think you need to read up on the AGW theory.

Answer 1

Wow! That's like showing them that they're worshiping the wrong God! You'll get exactly the same reaction.

Deniers of SGW (Solar Global Warming) are like those people who deny the Holocaust.

Answer 2

Ok, well, this is a very controversial topic. Many people say that they have seen proof that it isn't true, but then again, there is also "proof" that the first moon landing was faked. There is no real way to tell if this is true or false, its all about who you believe. Scientists who believe we are heating up the world, or others who believe it is a natural occurrence. Personally, I believe that the world goes through a cycle of heating up and then ice age or whatever, but even though this may be true, there is no doubt we are speeding it up. I mean i guess it is inevitable, but I would like for my children and grandchildren to live better lives, and this can't happen with all the pollution going on. So i think what really needs to take place is- hybrids, new fuels, and going green.

Answer 3

I'd look at the real data.

The solar variability theory is completely refuted by the actual data. The Sun's radiation is measured independently by scientists all over the world. We know what it is to a high degree of accuracy.For the last 20 or so years it's been DECREASING (just a little).

"Recent oppositely directed trends in solar
climate forcings and the global mean surface
air temperature", Lockwood and Frolich (2007), Proc. R. Soc. A
doi:10.1098/rspa.2007.1880

http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/media/proceedings_a/rspa20071880.pdf

People who have advanced this theory have been caught doing very strange things to the data.

Damon, P.E. and Laut, P. 2004. Pattern of Strange Errors Plagues Solar Activity and Terrestrial Climate Data. Eos,Vol. 85, No. 39, p. 370-374

http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/DamonLaut2004.pdf

This idea is utter nonsense. Not opinion, data. Much more here, from a wide variety of scientific sources:

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/FAQ2.html
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11650
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/07/the-lure-of-solar-forcing/

Svensmark says comic rays cause global warming by making clouds. It's voodoo science and the data doesn't back him up.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/10/taking-cosmic-rays-for-a-spin/
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/cosmic-rays-don%E2%80%99t-die-so-easily/

If this idea is correct (which is absurd) then wouldn't world leaders know it? Scientific organizations like the National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science? It would be front page headlines, not minor articles about a few skeptics, mostly not climatologists, advancing the idea, in the face of disbelief by the rest of the scientific community.

Ridiculous nonsense, nothing more. The data proves it.

Me Again - Of course the Earth has undergone natural changes before. But this time the data clearly shows that this particular change is not natural and is, in fact, mostly caused by greenhouse gases. And no one reasonable is saying this change will end all life. But it will be very costly.

Did you think the world's scientists and the world's leaders all didn't know everything you just said? Just maybe, they know more.

Answer 4

You need to do more reading on this. For one thing, global warming will more likely than not eventually cause catastrophic cooling.

Solar variability is what led to historic and prehistoric Ice Ages -- the concern of legitimate scientists is that humans might be causing their own demise.

Anyone that thinks any opinions on either side of this issue are based on deliberate deception is a fool, buddy.

Answer 5

If data was presented to show that solar variability was responsible for the temperature changes over the past century and a half I would accept it. However, you seem to believe that you have actually =presented= this data. What you have actually done is give two links to articles about the sun that you don't understand, and three more articles that have, well, nothing to do with solar forcing on the climate at all.

Answer 6

For corn's sake, people. If any of you have ever done any research beyond what you hear on the news you would know that the planet has gone through many climate changes. If it were not for glaciers that covered much of north America, we wouldn't have thousands of square miles of flat fertile soil in the midwest. Where did those glaciers come from? It was really really cold. Where are those glaciers now? Dang! They melted! Why? The temperature went up. A lot. When? Thousands of years ago, before man occupied most of the continent, and way before the first SUV. How do you suppose the planet got warmer without the intervention of man? Hmmm. The orbit of the Earth is not a perfect circle. The output of the sun is not perfectly stable. The rotation of the Earth is not perfect. It wobbles. It's no frickin wonder the climate changes. Before mankind had sophisticated test equipment, mankind was much more concerned about adapting to the climate. Now that we think we are smarter, we try to adapt the climate to us. Or at least we think we can try. There is no doubt that Earth's climate is changing. Mankind's activities certainly affect it. It has never stayed the same in recorded history, and obviously not in unrecorded history either. But anyone who thinks that global warming is the only trend that has ever occurred and is the one that will destroy life as we know it is short-sighted and irresponsible.

Answer 7

First you would need to find that data and convince more than a few scientists that it is a more important driver of climate than ghg's. A couple years later people will start paying attention, followed by politicians. 20 years after that politicians will start doing something about it. But your link says this is going to happen in just a couple years, so you might as well give up.

Answer 8

Your question incorrectly presupposes that there is deception involved.

I'd accept the science if such evidence presented itself, but it hasn't, and it almost certainly won't. Svensmark's theory is simply not supported by the solar observations.

I know you really, really want it to be. But it's not. Wishing won't make it so.

Answer 9

Don't you know SUV's cause all this global warming....that's why the polar caps are melting ...on Mars....I guess there must be invisible SUV's up there we don't see....ha ha ha