Are you sinning when you worship Jesus as a god (read details)?

Question

The old testament says that Yahweh is one. That you should have no other Gods before you.

Jesus called the father his God.

Satan would be wasting his time trying to tempt God right?

Jesus said to not call him good, but only call God good.

Jesus said to pray to the father, not himself.

Jesus prayed to the father and not himself.

On the cross Jesus did not forsake himself, he cried out why did the father forsake him.

Jesus never said he was Yahweh.

The trinity doctrine (father, son, holy ghost - and even father, son, and mother mary) has blurred the lines.

So, when you equate Jesus with Yahweh, aren't you worshipping a different God breaking the old testament commandment not to do that?

Keep in mind I'm asking not to incite a fight but honest inquiry. Study your bibles (kjv is a trinitarian bible with added verses so...), pray, and give an honest answer and not some canned answer you learned in Sunday school.

Answer 1

you are right...jesus is not god but the son of god.

Answer 2

Actually Catholic Crusader, is wrong on several points.

1. The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

The Apostolic Fathers didn't teach anything remotely approaching a trinity or that Jesus was equal to God.

2. Most of the verse he quotes in Rev. apply to Jehovah and not Jesus.

But since Jesus is the exact representation (copy) of his God and Father, (Rev 1:6) It isn't surprising that they share similar titles.

(Heb 1:3, 2 Cor 4:4, Col 1:15)

3. To read John 8:58 as 'I am' is to use improper english.

You can not mix tenses in English as you can in Greek.

The question to Jesus was 'how old are you?' not what is your name.

Also if Jesus was quoting Ex 3:14, he would have said 'The Being' not I am. Because that is the translation of Ex 3:14 into Greek. (Septugint bible)

“I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” Heb., היהא רשׁא היהא (’Eh·yeh′ ’Asher′ ’Eh·yeh′), God’s own self-designation; Leeser, “I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE”; Rotherham, “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” Gr., E·go′ ei·mi ho on, “I am The Being,” or, “I am The Existing One”;

and This is just a few of the points.

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Answer 3

Jesus also said the Father was greater than he. He also prayed that the Apostles (and others) would be one in him AS he is in God (if Jesus is God, then the Apostles would also be God when they became one in him). Jesus also stated that his followers would go on and do greater things than he - how do mortals go on to do greater things than God?

Trinity - I find it odd that it states you can be forgiven if you blasphemy against Jesus (yes it does say this), but you won't be forgiven if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Doesn't make much sense if they're the same "person".

I don't know about "sinning", but I find it very odd that people place other people "salvation" on the line because they don't worship Jesus. I've even seen people claim others will go to hell if they worship God and not Jesus... which makes no sense if they're the same person. And the idea of worshipping a human sacrifice in the sense that it's done... why would the Biblical God do such a thing after stating that human sacrifice is an abomination in the Old Test?

Another thing I find odd... in the Old Test, it states in several places that the one's who tell another NOT to follow the laws of God are considered wicked, cursed, etc.... How many times have we heard that "oh, those laws are done away with" or "nailed to the cross" (this one is rather funny - it was the Romans who supposedly nailed it to the cross... following Romans now?) =)

Answer 4

Some people worship the plastic Jesus on their dashboard. Some people worship the baby Jesus, in the manger. Some worship the preacher Jesus. Some worship Jesus on a cross. Some worship the Resurrected Jesus. Some people worship the Holy Spirit.

Pick a starting point, and work your way up Jacob's Ladder.

All I really know for sure, is that no one get's out of this world alive, excepten they get ressurected. I'm going with the Ressurection, maybe to glory, maybe to shame. That judgement will come later.

1) Some folks think the Father, Son, and Holy Spirtit are one.
2) Satan wasted a lot of time, rebelling against God. His trip in the desert with Jesus was small compared to that.
3) I'm not sure about your third question...
4) Jesus said to pray to OUR Father, his and ours. That doesn't make us messiah, or disqualify him as God incarnate.
5) Ditto
6) Jesus was still preaching, when he gave up the ghost. Read the rest of the psalm that Jesus was speaking, it's about redemption.
7) It was against the law to say the word 'Yahweh'. You use it a lot.
8) that's blurry, what lines?
9) If loving Jesus, and learning forgiveness gets me out of this world alive, so be it.
10) Amen

Answer 5

http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=3

The reason most people believe in the Trinity is because that is what they were taught /raised to believe by someone or by a loved one. They don't research it for themselves.

Did Jesus EVER say "I am God?"
No. He didn't.

Tertullian was the one who founded the Trinity.

I believe + stand upon the Word of God, not what some guy said thousands of years ago.

MOST Trinitarians are hard-headed + believe they are right + that everybody is wrong. Same thing with MOST Jehovah's Witnesses + Mormons. If someone has their own beliefs and are hard-headed, there's no point in sharing your beliefs because they won't listen + will only think up a retort than be open-minded + listen to what you have to say + consider what you have to say.

Besides, this is just one issue in which the Devil uses to seperate Christians. We should share the truth with others, yes, BUT we should also share the love of God + be mini-Jesus'. Don't worry about petty debates + what others say around you. Follow God + put Him first above all. We should also strengthen brothers + sisters in Christ, despite who believes in the Trinity or not. There are so few of us + who knows when Jesus is coming back!

Blessings,

ecdact

Answer 6

Jesus clothed Himself in humanity; incarnate. Fully God & fully himan. He was tempted in every way the bible says; because of this He could carry all sin on the cross.

Actually the creed was set once and for all about 1500 years ago. Noone has ever blurred the lines. Jesus, Father & Holy Spirit. All one-all separate. Just as H2O is all H2O as well as ice, steam & water.

When Jesus cried out to His father- He was actually referring to Psalms 22 which starts with this phrase & is a prophecy of what the Messiah would go through. It is Jesus showing who He really was.

I could answer more but I'm pretty tired right now.

Answer 7

You ask a good question. I don't think it's necessarily a sin to worship Christ since He is the Son of God, but I don't really do that anyway. I pray to Christ or should I say "through" Christ since He is our intermediary to God.

However, I don't agree that Jesus is God. He is the Son of God. Scripture says, "And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'" (Matthew 3:17)

"But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." (John 20:31)

These are but two of many examples where Christ is referred to as the Son of God. Catholic Crusader's compelling examples of why Christ is God just highlights the confusion on this issue and reinforces the reality that the Bible was written by imperfect humans.

Answer 8

Crusader is right, completely. If you believe the scripture than you must believe he was more than just a prophet. You can't say he is God's son and not consider Him to be equal with God. Either you believe he was God in the flesh, I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Or you believe that he was a prophet which means you don't believe all that your bible tells you. You can say there are scriptures that were added but out of all the ones the crusader has mentioned, can you honestly say it is not in your bible? I bet you have this one John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

So you see the proof is there, it is quite sufficient enough. You can still say I John 5:7 is not supposed to be in the bible but it doesn't make a difference. So someone is lying to you, put your thinking cap on and think about this. Someone tried to aruge this with me before and they never got back to me when I mentioned John 14:9.

Answer 9

"The amazing thing Noah did" And what is that exactly. Moses was nothing without God. I guess 6,000 manuscripts of the NT alone isn't good enough for you. Or how about 23,000 archeological discoveries that directly support the Bible. Funny you talk about respecting other religions yet mock Christians by calling them cocky and belittling Jesus. Have you seen the News lately. Turns out Muslims aren't very peaceful.

Answer 10

no because are not just worshipping jesus he was put on this earth to bring us closer to his father and when you go to pray you actually say my father who are in heaven not saying jesus. Jesus came to to this earth to lead us to god and when he died on the cross he took our sins to god and when we sin we take it to jesus because he defends us to god his father if you read relvelations it explains that the heavens threw down there crowns to god and in relevation 5 it actuallys says jesus is sitting on the right hand of god his fathe and if you really read the old testment you will see why god said do not worship any god but myself because when you worship god are worshiping just him but if you say i am praising jesus then you are saying you are praising the three in one the father the son and the holy sprit so when it come down to it you aren't breaking the old testmant unless you idiolise a false god ie buhda or something like that, that is the only time you are breaking the old testmant

Answer 11

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). And yes, Jesus DID say he was God. In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59). In John 5:18 we are told that Jesus’ opponents sought to kill him because he "called God his Father, making himself equal with God."

In John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus’ feet, exclaiming, "My Lord and my God!" (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, "The Lord of me and the God of me!")

Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus "who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" (New International Version). So Jesus chose to be born in humble, human form though he could have simply remained in equal glory with the Father for he was "in very nature God."

Also significant are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus (Rev. 1:17). This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12).

This title is directly applied to Jesus three times in the book of Revelation: "When I saw him [Christ], I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, ‘Fear not, I am the First and the Last’" (Rev. 1:17). "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life’" (Rev. 2:8). "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end" (Rev. 22:12–13).

This last quote is especially significant since it applies to Jesus the parallel title "the Alpha and the Omega," which Revelation earlier applied to the Lord God: "‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8).

But did the early Christians believe this? YES! Here are some quotes:

Ignatius of Antioch: "Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . predestined from eternity for a glory that is lasting and unchanging, united and chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God" (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).

Aristides: "[Christians] are they who, above every people of the earth, have found the truth, for they acknowledge God, the Creator and maker of all things, in the only-begotten Son and in the Holy Spirit" (Apology 16 [A.D. 140]).

Clement of Alexandria: "The Word, then, the Christ, is the cause both of our ancient beginning—for he was in God—and of our well-being. And now this same Word has appeared as man. He alone is both God and man, and the source of all our good things" (Exhortation to the Greeks 1:7:1 [A.D. 190]).