For Protestants (fundies)?

Question

Is Jesus Christ truly present in the Fundy protestant Churches? How can He be if you dont believe in the Eucharist and Jesus's true presence in it, you just eat a cracker and grape juice,or that baptism is a command from Jesus, that one must be born of water to be born again, not just saying a few words. Where is the tabernacle and altar of Jesus Christ in a fundy protestant church? Iam really curious about this

Answer 1

Fundamentalism does not possess the full treasure of the Catholic church and so it can only ever be a protesting church,almost like a spoilt child demanding it gets it`s own way in everything.
By the way is CJ the homer simpson of faith?

Answer 2

They do not understand the need for the true presence of Christ, they believe he is in each of their hearts.

The idea that Jesus was speaking figuratively is really pushing the envelope. They will take verses out of context and beat the Catholic Church up over things like "call no man father" and "there is one mediator..." and yet something Jesus says multiple times, they say was figurative. In John 6 alone Jesus says 6 times, eat my body and drink my blood. Why is that figurative? Why would anyone think that it is?

Additionally, we KNOW the early Church celebrated the sacrifice of the Mass. We have recorded documentation that the early Christians were accused of cannibalism around 150AD. Why? Because people had heard they were eating flesh and drinking blood. When investigated it was found that they were eating bread and drinking wine. Hmmmm...sounds like the Mass to me.

So, we know from this that those a scant 150 years after Christ believed in transubstantiation. So, it's for sure that it was practiced even earlier than that. And yet, Protestantism comes along less than 500 years ago and denounces this as "unbiblical"???? On whose authority? Martin Luther's? Come on!!

Jesus said "EAT MY BODY AND DRINK MY BLOOD" and then at the last supper he repeated this and showed them HOW to do it! It's so plain and simple. He left us with this awesome miracle so we could always have him any where, any day...until he comes again.

Answer 3

Nasty emails? People do that? I'll report it as HARASSMENT, if I were you.

Well, as John D. says, just because they practice and believe differently does not make them less Christian. Nice change, from people ranting 'CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS' or some such nonsense.

As for our reading of scripture ... like any true follower of Jesus Christ, we all want to know what was MEANT! Most non-catholics do not read this as the 'real presence', like we Catholics do. But Jesus Christ repeated it: my flesh is TRUE FOOD, my blood, TRUE DRINK.

Mathematicians will scratch their heads at something like
A = B, when all we are sure of is A = A and B = B.

The statement challenges us to IMAGINE: if the host = Jesus' flesh, and the wine = Jesus blood, then I am supposed to IMAGINE that He is THERE, in flesh and blood! This latter expression is commonly used to be: 'there in person', or 'REALLY there'.

BUT, if they would rather take the words to mean 'symbols', used in 'remembrance' ... what can we do? At the end of the day, it's a free country, and we are called upon to be charitable.

Answer 4

I read one poster claim that 'where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name' as a right to Holy Eucharist.They have a right to gather but the Catholic church does not have to recognize them:Charles Manson and his group could gather in Jesus' name.That is why those who split the Church have been irresponsible and so have the followers.It is a mandate that the Holy Eucharist be consecrated in intention of the Church.

Answer 5

dear tebonebone you said it, no hes not present if they dont believe.every thing has become modern day ,and routine to most churches.we need a old time awakeing. there needs to be bods fire back in church.yhere are to many luke warm chruches today.god hasnt changed but people have inserted thier oen doctrine.so you are right christ isnt there.the bible, in the last days there would be a great fallen away. god bless you .and praise him,that you have been born again. god bless.love. pastor carney.if you want scriptures to this let me know.

Answer 6

The Church I go to does baptize to be born again and we take part of the Eucharist to remember as Jesus instructed us. The tabernacle and altar is in fact the church, the body of Believers, because God dwells in us.

Answer 7

ALL of those of the actual Church(all those of the actual Christian faith) have the the finest option understand for the mum of Jesus...... those of the actual Church do not understand those who's "dogma" and "traditions" lead others faraway from the reality of The Salvation message.... as do the papist catholic teachings those of the actual Church attempt to save on with the coaching of God's Son Jesus The Christ...it quite is The note and could of God for guy-form........ to take a position that in a roundabout way women anybody is inferior could be going adverse to The note and could of God.... we of the actual Church supply Christ's mom a similar understand Christ provides to her.... and as we are urged to furnish to our own moms

Answer 8

Come on, lets stop slamming each other, lets show the love of Jesus. If we can't love other Christians we can't even call our selves Christian.
Although I do believe communion is the body and blood of Jesus.

Answer 9

Wait a second! Back up the theology bus! And by the way, where is your Christian charity if faith, plus *works* save us? (I don't believe "plus works" because it's not biblical, but if you do...). You will win no one over with that tone.

I find it ironic that you use the word "Eucharist" which means "giving thanks", and yet that's not at all the tone with which you ask the question or desire to share your knowledge. Do you not understand or remember that what happens in the Lord's Supper is the forgiveness of your sins?

Perhaps if you showed some concern for people who are being misled & denied the real body & blood of Christ in many cases (when Christ's words aren't connected to the elements) or denied the truth of Christ's words that they are receiving His body & blood, they'd be more willing to listen.

There are Christians who are neither Roman Catholic nor Fundamentalists. We are called Confessional authentic Lutherans.

We *do not* deny the real presence of Christ in the elements of Holy Communion, but neither do we believe in transubstantiation. We believe that Christ is, not symbolically; not merely spiritually (for Christ's diety & humanity cannot & should not be divided), but rather *supernaturally* present in, with & under the bread & wine as it is connected with the *words of Christ* which are received by the hearer. We know not with our finite, fallible minds how this is possible, yet we believe it for Christ indeed says, "This *is* my body," "This *is* my blood." It is meant to be a mystery, hence the word "Sacrament".

What isn't a mystery however, is that that body & blood is meant for me & all believers to sustain us in our relationship with Christ who is risen on high & intercedes for us--it is one of God's means of grace, not something we do, but merely receive. Those who receive it (bread & wine which has been connected with Christ's words & heard by the receiver) without the true knowledge that it is truly Christ Jesus' body & blood, still eat & drink the body & blood, but sadly to their condemnation according to Paul himself (1 Cor. 10:16; 1 Cor. 11:27,29).

That is why both the Roman Catholic Church & most Lutheran denominations practice closed communion. Not to be exclusive, but to protect the recipients from eating & drinking to their own condemnation & to uphold the truth of Christ's own words & institution in devotion to the Lord & for the sake of our neighbor present & future.

We Lutherans don't take pleasure in things that are detrimental to others. We mourn these half-truths & lies that lead people astray. Because the truth has been preserved for us by God's grace alone, we have no room for boasting. Rather, we consistently ask God, "Why does Your good, happen to me a bad person?" so in Christian love we are compelled by God's unfailing grace to us to explain the whole truth for the benefit of others, so that they may partake in His pure Gospel as well.

Answer 10

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.

The "Eucharist" of the RCC is not Biblical. Transubstantiation is not Biblical. Jesus did not mean the bread He was holding up during the last supper was His actual, physical body, since it would be illogical for His physical body to be holding His physical body. It was symbolic, like John 10:9:

Joh 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in, and will go out, and will find pasture.

Did Jesus mean He was a physical door, with hinges and a handle?

Celebrating the Lord's table is symbolic and a remembrance, there is nothing magical about it. Baptism is an outward symbol of an inward change. Salvation does not come from baptism, it is solely a work of God through grace. We don't need an altar since we don't offer a continual sacrifice, that work was done once, on the cross. We don't need a physical tabernacle or dwelling place of God since God, through the Spirit, indwells in the believers.