So genocide is cool if you're on our side?

Question

The House wants to pass a resolution declaring the slaughter of Armenians by the Turks in the early 20th Century to have been genocide. Bush says he would not do it, it's not prudent, we need Turkey to ,,, to ,,,, to keep the oil he wants to keep stealing from Iraq, I guess.

Hey, Germany is an important ally in the war on terror, too. Does this mean that we should ignore the holocaust? Or are Jews (and communists and gays and gypsies and slavs and...) more valuable than Armenian Christians?

I need to understand this. Maybe the Right Wing can 'splain it to me. I'd love to understand how this works (Turks good, Nazis bad)? Kill Jews, very bad. Kill Armenian Christians, well, they'll get over it, it's no big deal.

What am I missing here, people?

For those racist enough to give a rat's fanny:

I am not Armenian. I am Irish Traveller, one-fourth real Rom and proud of it.
I have a deep connection to the United States Military Academy at West Point and I have drunk the Kool-Aid. I do not lie, cheat, steal or pay attention to race (except to identify my fellow victims) and I do not tolerate those who do.

So you Turkish chauvinists can stop now, it's not like anyone who matters is listening. I want an explanation from the Republicans/Bushfollowers as to why it's okay to slaughter millions of Christians and say, what, did we do that? Who says we did that?

I SAY YOU DID IT, AND IF YOU WERE HUMAN, YOU WOULD BE ASHAMED. Heck, I'm ashamed for Wounded Knee. the trail of tears, and Kilmichael, even though my ancestors only did Kilmichael. But y country, the USA, did Wounded Knee and the Trail, and I mourn the blot on America's conscience. I mourn Turkey's lack of humanity and conscience no less.

Answer 1

No, you are right on the money. Bush is trying to say that Congress is putting our troops in harms way by passing this resolution. Well Mr. Bush - you did that all by yourself. (thanks for nothing chimp-boy)

Thanks Congress for finally taking a real moral stand. If the Turkish government can't stand the truth, perhaps we don't need them to be an allie in the first place.

Answer 2

Here we go again look at the date on the following link;
"Published: February 28, 1990"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE6DC153FF93BA15751C0A966958260

Don't you see it is election year posturing!

The House Foreign Affairs Committee’s 27-21 vote now sends the measure to the House floor, That just means the house may vote on it. The emphasis on may vote on it.

I would have never guessed it would have passed but look at how the votes were cast, Surprise all the districts with heavy armenian populations voted yes. That is what you are missing.

With all that is going on in this great country of ours, why are we so concerned about what happened in 1915.


Rwanda
The Genocide of Native Americans
Genocide in Cambodia and East Timor
Australia, the Aborigines
Guatemala Genocide
German Holocaust
Genocide Against Bosniaks in the U.N. Safe Area Srebrenica
Chechen-Ingush Deportation Day
Sudan
The Rape of Nanking

Where are all of these resolutions.

Oh yeah BTW Turkey was not established until 1923 following the fall of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of World War I.

Many Armenians died, Turks died too, massacres were committed on both sides as a result of inter-ethnic violence and the wider world war.

Article II of the UN Convention on Genocide of December 1948 describes genocide as carrying out acts intended "to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group".

Did George W Bush attempt to commit Genocide of the Baath party in Iraq. After the de facto deposition of President Saddam Hussein's Ba'thist regime in the course of the 2003 Iraq war, the occupying US army banned the Iraqi Ba'th Party in June 2003.

One mans Genocide is another mans war casualty it is a play on words. 1915, what about atrocities happening today on this planet.

BTW any loss of life is a tragedy.

The last paragraph on this link states;
"Is change near? Another look at history casts doubt: Nearly every year federal legislation is introduced. All of the measures have either died in the House or languished in the Senate."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12397821/

Answer 3

Let me guess, you think there was a genocide as :

A)You are an Armenian
B)Your Armenian friends say so
C)You learned it from a website like wikipedia pages prepared by Armenians
D)You watched a TV show
E)You heard of it, and accepted it

I do not know which one or ones of these options apply to you, but there is only one think I know you have never searched any documents for the truth, and never read any sources state that it was not a genocide. Beside, to try to make a connection between holocaust and a propaganda is horrible.

Edit : Of course wikipedia does not belong to anyone, but anyone can write about or edit any subject. Those pages about genocide was prepared by Armenians. The site itself says wikipedia is not a %100 reliable source.
Bush made all the world believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and relation with terrorists, however, all the world realized that they were lies. So if one man can fool all the world, a nation can do it too like Armenians ( and Turk-haters ) have been doing.

Answer 4

The dude blow me doesn't know the difference between a truth and a like or He is just a turk tring to Lie.

Wikipedia is 100% and it is not made by Armenians. Also why would almost the whole world accept it if it was not a genocide. Just think abot it. Armenian Genocide is a 100% fact. This below is a chart showing all the countries that recognized it. I bet I am going to be reported and deleted by the turks.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/ArmenianGenocideRecognition.png/800px-ArmenianGenocideRecognition.png

Answer 5

First i want to say thank you to you for not forgetting to mention the Gypsies in the Holocaust the fact that between 90 to 97 %of Gypsies in Southern and Eastern Europe were exterminated hardly warrants a mention by most people .

Its not like Mr Bush to keep his mouth shut when he could open it ,is there any chance it could be to do with the recent show up he got at the UN The one when after he`d made a speech naming several despotic dictators including President Mugabe .Mugabe stood up and accused him of "rank hypocrisy" and said who was he to criticise any one of them while he has a concentration camp in Cuba was responsible for more torture and had more blood on his hands than any of the people he was pointing his finger at . or words to the exact same meaning
It can`t have been a pleasant experience and even more so when no one was in a position to call Mugabe a liar
not that i know its because of that .but its hard to find another reason

Answer 6

It was genocide, but what good does passing a resolution about it now do? All it will do is make one of our few allies in the Middle East mad at us. Do you think it would be a good idea to pass a resolution condemning Iran for invading Greece, it was only few thousand years ago. How about a resolution against Italy for conquering Europe and enslaving its peoples? How about a resolution against Spain for the Inquisition? For that matter how about one against Colorado for them attacking the Native Americans there in the 1800s?

History is just that. It should be studied and learned from but after so many years what is the point of condeming someone. Especially when everyone already knows what happened. When you are trying to keep a country from invading Northern Iraq and making a war worse, those making us stay there longer, you try to be a little more deplomatic.

Answer 7

Armenian Massacre — was the forcible deportation and massacring of hundreds of thousands to over 1.5 million Armenians during the government of the Young Turks from 1915 to 1917 in the Ottoman Empire.

It is widely acknowledged to have been one of the first modern, systematic genocides, as many Western sources point to the sheer scale of the death toll as evidence for a systematic, organized plan to eliminate the Armenians. The event is also said to be the second-most studied case of genocide. To date twenty-one countries have officially recognized it as genocide. The government of the Republic of Turkey rejects the characterization of the events as genocide.

Responding to Turkish state denials of the Armenian Genocide, many activists among Armenian Diaspora communities have pushed for formal recognition from various governments around the world. 22 countries, the constituent UK country of Wales, and 40 of the US states, have adopted formal resolutions acknowledging the Armenian Genocide as a bona fide historical event.

Why does Turkey continue to deny such facts?

Answer 8

The only thing I can see missing is that Turkey to this day denies that a genocide took place, while Germany admits the Holocaust happened and they were responsible. I do agree, however, that it is disgraceful of Bush to try to block this, allowing political reasons to override human decency.

Answer 9

Unfortunately, there is a lot of hypocrisy in the US, and in the West in general. And you are right. Furthermore, Tudjman also wrote in his book ("Wastelands-Historical Truth") that genocides are "sometimes justified". Indeed, he also wrote to Pope John Paul that the "problem of Orthodox Christians" had been "solved" (just like Pavilic wrote to Eichman) with the "help" of the EU and NATO.

Answer 10

Germany has admitted their genocide, there is no need for a declaration. I'm sure if Turkey admitted killing all those Armenians, their genocide would become a non-issue also.