Homosexuality?

Question

Okay...here is a question.
Please dont get all offended!
It is scientifically proven that Homosexuality is not a choice people are born with it, many of them are my friends. I find nothing wrong with it.
Its a fact...not a theory.
So...here in lies my problem.
Christians have had a big problem accepting gays, infact I was watching the Morning Show with Mike and Juliet when I was flabbergasted.
There was a Christian man on there saying he could convert homosexuals to being strait.
Infact this man said yes, it is true that gays are born gay, but it is a sin to continue on the homosexual road, and to keep practicing homosexuality.
So what are you saying God made a mistake??
You admit that Gays are born gay, so obviously god made them that way, you also say that God made everything good, but you say no, do not continue on the road god set you on..
Any one else see my problem?
I am not placing this because of this one man, but many people .

Wow, I definantly see some ignorant people out there.
You are telling me that people go, hmmn, I know that being gay will probably affect my family, cause me lots of pain and suffereing becuase of ignorant fools, and yet I choose to live this way. Sorry I did not list sources, but if you look it up you will find evidence to support my claims.
I totally belive in a god, I just cannot belive those fools who take everything in a book written by MAN and say well, because a BOOK said something, well it must be true...wow.
Ignorance is bliss for some I guess.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002340883_gayscience19m.html
One of many interesting articles on the subject.

Answer 1

Where do you get your information?.......Science and Wishful Thinking,,,,,,,,,?

It has been scientifically proven that homosexuality IS a choice.
Read the Medical Journals of today.
It is a choice brought on by one's envoroment, i.e. People you surround yourself with, things you watch, things you read, etc,etc.
So.......the mistake isn'y God's as you say, the mistake is still man's.

Do a little research before you post..........

Answer 2

You are right on the science, generally. It is accepted that many homosexual persons are born gay. Also, just took a look at the answers ahead of me. Wow. Obviously they've never read Hamer, McKnight, or Kinsey. There is plenty of evidence in the scientific literature to support your claim that homosexuality is genetic and natural.

As for the Biblical component, the main problem, I think, is in the interpretation of the passages in question. There are only 6 references to homosexual acts in the Bible. If one takes the references from the Levitical code, then the whole code must also be followed (do not cut your beard, death penalty to disobedient children, likewise for adulterers, no sex during menstruation, no shellfish, etc.). It is picking and choosing in this instance if the Levitical codes are appealed to in an effort to discriminate against gay persons.

The New Testament is far less clear on the subject than is the Old. No one is sure what the words mean that some translations render 'homosexual' or 'sodomite.' The Greek word malakoi probably means effeminate, although, word studies are not conclusive. If it means effeminate, then wouldn't we also have to adopt the definition of 'effeminacy' from the first century. This would mean crying in public, doing the house work, raising the kids, hanging out with women, etc. would make one a malakoi.

The other word, arsenokoitai, is even more obscure. It occurs only in lists in the period literature and therefore has no context from which to derive a precise meaning. It probably has something to do with men having some kind of sexual relation with other men (although, this is speculative at best), but the exact nature of that sex is uncertain. The word could very well be elluding to male temple prostitutes, forced homosexual acts, or pedophilia. Again, we cannot be certain, but to say that the word absolutely means 'homosexual' is irresponsible translation work.

Additionally, Paul had no notion of sexual orientation, thus, he would not have had that wisdom to draw from. If he had, then perhaps he would have been clearer on what he was trying to say. Nowhere in the NT, however, is homosexuality explicitly prohibited!

It is sad that such a few texts that are difficult to translate have led to such abominable acts of hatred, bigotry, and exclusion. It is one of the church's biggest sins, along with the crusades, endorsement of slavery, marginalization of women, and marginalization of developing countries.

I hope this helped. Sorry the answer was so long, but I think most Christian people have no idea that this information is in the available literature.

Take care

Answer 3

No it is not scientifically proven. Homosexuality is a choice. Just realize a child can make a choice and forget they ever made the choice. Yes a child may be influenced by some thing, and become aroused, then accept this choice made innocently perhaps. Yet it is still a choice. In fact if one is heterosexual, they chose it from an influence they had, or influences.

Now gender nonconformity may be biological, and many children with this think they are gay, hence born gay. But gender nonconformity is different than homosexuality. Even so, some people learn gender nonconformity as well. Also not all people with a gender nonconformity, learned or biological will all be gay. Only some will choose this.

I do think a large majority choose this from influences while young and forget about it. They were innocent. Yet when you become an adult we are to put away the things we learn as children, but it is very hard to explain to an adult that thinks they were born gay that they actually chose it as a child and forgot. We have to cross this barrier first.

Science does not help in this matter, they continue to look for a gay gene or some thing.

Often they do not even equate gender nonconformity in their scientific studies concerning gay people. What a mistake.

Answer 4

"It is scientifically proven that Homosexuality is not a choice people are born with it, many of them are my friends. I find nothing wrong with it."
The proper thing to do when stating something so controversial is to provide a source. You didn't provide us a scientific source for your statement. I'm glad that you have friends, keep them close. Friends are not so easy to have for some people.

"Christians have had a big problem accepting gays, in fact I was watching the Morning Show with Mike and Juliet when I was flabbergasted."
I have no idea who Mike and Juliet are. But I understand what a morning show is.
Yes, Many (too many) Christians have terrible problems with Gays. But I am not one of those Christians.

"There was a Christian man on there saying he could convert homosexuals to being strait.
In fact this man said yes, it is true that gays are born gay, but it is a sin to continue on the homosexual road, and to keep practicing homosexuality."
By the way, 'in fact' are two words.
I'm sure that this man is very sure that he can make certain willing people act like they are not homosexual. Acting is taught in churches all over the world. You can see that as an example with those who are raised in the church from childhood. At some point they have to set themselves genuinely to the faith they believe in, which is not Christian faith at times.
So I am not surprised that this man thinks he has a way to convince people that their natural urges have left them. I am Bisexual, and I know that the urges are there even though I haven't had sex for years.

It is a sin to commit homosexual practices. But the Christians who attempt to make it their life's quest is to become sinless; to them I say, "Good luck with that". My quest has nothing to do with sinlessness. I am a sinner, and admitted that to God. So I am not fooling Him, yet I bet I can fool that man you are talking about.

"So what are you saying God made a mistake?? "
No. Sin entered man. We are sinners by nature. We are still sinners after being saved. We are then just saved sinners. The point of being Christian is that you trust God. And by grace- the true meaning of the word understood, we are saved. God holds on to the power of Grace.

Homosexuality is just another manifestation of sin. It's who some people are. Just as some people are born autistic, without limbs, or even dead.

The mistake was committed by man and it's carried by man. It's not God's doing.

"You admit that Gays are born gay, so obviously god made them that way, you also say that God made everything good, but you say no, do not continue on the road god set you on..
Any one else see my problem?"
I admit that I think that some people are born that way, and some people are made that way by a sexualized atmosphere while growing up. I don't think that the same thing happened to all people. And there are many reasons why a person is a certain way.

God has a way to go; trust Him. Or you will not. It's up to anyone who possesses the ability to think that far. It is said in the Bible, 'The just shall live by faith', and that's how to become a Christian, and that's how to stay a Christian. If God said something, trust Him for it. That's what a Christian does to be a Christian. Being straight is not a prerequisite for being saved.

Answer 5

There are a number of issues with your question (if you have read this far).

One is that people go on morning TV saying all sorts of things. This does not mean they are true, or you have any reason to be flabbergasted. Those who claim to "cure" homosexuality have produced exactly zero credible evidence of their claims.

Two, some christians think homosexuality is a "sin". They provide no cogent moral arguments why homosexual sex is inherently immoral, merely quote some biblical authors' opinions. When you get down to tin tacks, they are talking about their own personal preferences, not rationally justifiable moral laws.

Three, whether homosexual orientation is biologically determined or not (and the scientific evidence is that it is, at least in part) makes no difference to its moral validity. Homosexuality is morally neutral unless you can demonstrate that having sex with one gender rather than another is a moral question - that is, it affects human happiness.

Personally I think it IS a moral question. Heterosexuals should have sex with the opposite sex. Homosexuals should have sex with the same sex. Bisexuals have a choice. Be repectful of your partner(s), and be mindful of the biological risks such as STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

Answer 6

Right... I may ask, seeing that no one REALLY knows the workings of birth and there is no way you can possibly have it as a set fact... How the hell have you got your proven FACTS that being born gay is how it happens?

Sorry, but you can't say that... Especially in your christian bubble, to be born gay, means that your god would be damning you to eternal sin. More to add to the list of what a loving and caring god you follow.

Answer 7

That is the way the guy makes his living. He has a finacial investment, and a big emotional investment too.

Clearly the whole anti-homosexual thing is just prejudice.

Personally I think the population is getting a larger part of homosexulas because the population density is higher on the planet. But that's just me.
A message from God? Stop having so many babies.
But people of a dogmatic religious bend have no ears for listening.

Answer 8

It really does not matter in the least what 'people' think! Homosexuals should not care, one way or the other what close minded, uneducated bigots think! Prejudice will never listen to reason! There will always be people, who only want to condemn another person, either for what they are, or what they think!
As for the man who 'thinks he can cure a Gay person! He is full of crap! All that will do, is force the Gay person, back into the 'closet'!' How does that 'cure; them!
Gays, and Lesbians, should try to ignore those people, who tell them they are dirty, or call them sinners!
THEY ARE NOT! THEY ARE LOVED!

Answer 9

It isn't a choice. (OH NO, the THUMBS DOWN ARE COMING!)

Choosing who you are -attracted- to is absolutely ridiculous. It is NOT environment because homosexuals come from every environment ever imaginable. Yes, even from the bible-thumping, gay hating, Christian households. There are still plenty from those, I've seen plenty of "I think I'm gay, but my parents are going to disown me!" in the LGBT section. It's pretty heartbreaking. You would NEVER choose to have your parents disown you.

There's plenty of scientific proof out there. So for people asking for proof, search for the studies of Simon LeVay who has found connections of homosexuality with biological connections of the hypothalamus section of the brain. There might not be a "gay" gene, but I don't recall ever hearing of a "straight" gene either.

Also, I've seen and heard the interviews about the centers who "convert" people from gay to straight. They even interviewed the person in charge of the camp and he essentially said that he's still attracted to men over women, he just doesn't act on anything.

Um, I hate to break it to him, but he's STILL GAY. Gay, straight, bisexual is not determined by sexual behavior (who you choose to have sex with), it is determined by sexual orientation (who you naturally have attractions for).

Of course, why would straight people claim to know the issue indeptly, you didn't choose to have opposite sex attractions, did you?

This whole argument gets old. I know who I am, and I don't care what anyone else thinks.

Answer 10

I don't agree that God made anyone gay. He made us all in the likeness of Him. As far as being born, you have to understand you were already created before you were "born". Maybe something happened while that gay person was in the womb to make tham that way. Maybe it was a trait passed on. You'll hear scientists tell mothers to talk to their tummies while the baby's in there... well maybe some babies are exposed to homosexuality while being in the whomb. I wouldn't put the blaim on God... He doesn't make mistakes. All at the same time, children are sometimes brought up with many vivid and cruel experiences that cause them to change who they are and say, "Hey, this is me, this is how I am and have always been." But whatever a person is, 9 out of 10, they have a reason for being that way... rock on!

Answer 11

well u have to look at who and what god is... What is god? what are his characteristics in the BIBLE. With god there is know kind of impure or imoral actions which go against his nature... and if u read the words of god scripture shows perfectly clear that it is a act against his well being and all supreme nature.

A side note to think about is if it was a scientific proof... how the heck did they get that kinda proof becuase it means it would have to also fall in a line of genetics, and I dont think ever in history was a man with man or women with women to pass down a line of genetics to become a gay or homosexual... so how can someone be born with a natural act of procreation that sets its self against extinction...? just a thought..... Plus just look at the facts of life and tell me a that a man and man can create a baby; I dont think so and vise versa!

So it all comes down to a persons life choices and things that has been messed up in there life or tendincies that misconstruct their thinking and is therefore in act against god.

And as christians by what the word teaches is that we are to love homosexuals, but not in a queer way or anything like that but as accept them as a person but to hate their sin as god does and help point them to christ and repentance.