it's time to Debate: Who Came First - Hindu, Aryan or Dravidian !!!?

Question

Hindu is a way of life and not a religion. RAM was not a myth. RAMsetu is manmade ( vanarmade), millions of years ago. RAM was Suryavanshi.
Dravidians were not Suyavanshi nor Aryans but Hindus. This is very very very confusing. we need to clarify to be unified.

it's long way to go. the best brains in this country are divided . we must get it right . Truth is always bitter and better than the friction. Facts and the Myth must be scientifically evaluated. one can't blame Muslims/Mughals for the divide. They destroyed few ugly ( architechturily) buildings but gave us the TAJMAHAL also.

it's long way to go. the best brains in this country are divided . we must get it right . Truth is always bitter and better than the friction. Facts and the Myth must be scientifically evaluated. one can't blame Muslims/Mughals for the divide. They destroyed few ugly ( architechturily) buildings but gave us the TAJMAHAL also.

Answer 1

I would like to share some of my views which you might have not come across.

The original people or native of place are those who originated and live at a particular place for thousands of years and the climate, environment & flora & fauna had so much of influence/ effect/ impact on them that there appearence becomes a symbolisation of that region.
e.g. the Europeans are white skinned, having long nose, staright hair and have peculiar charachteristics which only they will be having. This is becoz the climate caused them
to appear like this,.

Likewise Blacks originated in Africa and climate caused them to have curly hairs, flat nose, big lips etc.

Now it is highly unlikely to assume that the present day white skinned people of South Africa are the originals. Or the present day Austrailians who are white skinned are the natives of Austrailia.

The fact remains that ABORIGINALS who are Black coloured with curly hair,are the original people of Austrailia who dwelt there since time immemorial.

There is no chance whatsoever that you will find two different races developing in a same climate and same place. You will not find Blacks in Europe and white skinned in Africa.

Nowhere.



Now come to India.



The Indian climate is very hot and suits only those with curly hair flat nose and big lips like Africans. This is a fact that these charachteristics belong to Dravidians who only originated in India and dwelt for centuries.

Any other people like Aryans, Huns, Muslims with different appearances altogether came from other part of the world.
With fair skin, long body, long nose & straight hair the Aryans were totally different from the Dravidians.

This will be totally incorrect to say that these two races originated from the same region.

If so, how come both are so different ?


Had they been the originald they would have beeen having the same appearance as that of the Dravidians.


Hence its upto you to beleive in any one of the facts that either of the tows i.e. Aryans or Dravidians, one is not the original people.

I believe on the above scientific analyses and logic that it is the Dravidians who originated in India.


One more thing which I would like to add.

Since in Sanskrit there was no alphabet to produce the sound of 'L' the Tamils came to be known as 'Dramil' 'Dramid' and later on to 'Dravid'
........which is evident from the following SHLOKAS.......

"......DRAMIDA PURUSHA RAJAN.,,,,,,,,,,,
"DRAMIDI YOSHITAN VARA.........,
"DRAMIDE AVRITO YAYO........"--------[Mahabharat]



" ANDHRA DRAVIDADI BHASHAYAM..."----Kumaril Bhatt in his 'Tantravartik'


" DRAMIDVEDAM, DRAMIDSANGHATAM.........."------Leelatilkam, a Malyalam grammer Grantha.



The Aryans considered Dravidians as DASYUS,
MALECHHAS, RAKSHAS, etc and were always ready to eliminate them.
Some critics believe that the great civilisations of Mohanjodaro & Hadappa were destroyed by the Aryans.


What I feel is that all must realise the fact that Dravids originated in India, but our past should not be the cause of rift amongst the people of India, be they Aryans, Dravidians or
Muslims or whosoever.


India should remain ONE despite all diversity.



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Answer 2

What nonsense is this.

I am an Aryan, and Dravidian are non-different form us, as they were good people, without much advancement, living in parts of India, and they have got mixed with Aryan etc.

"Hindu" this word is m\neither mentioned in any of the authoritative scriptures, Vedas or puranas. The real religion was sanathana dharma.

But when the Islamic kings started invading they differentiated the people on this side of Indus, and Hindus. Nothing more than this.

But as the so called Hindus are actually followers of A religion called Sanathana Dharma, even Hinduism is the same as that one, but has been corrupted purposefully by many fools, aiming to destroy the culture and advancement of literature.

Main thing is about making Aryan, some tribal race.... loll

and Ram is suryavamshi, and he is a part of Aryan. so as the descendants of moon. there are many branches in Aryan society itself.


It is only recently in history that the word "hindu" was coined, and that was when Islamic kings invaded, and they have done what they are best known for, destruction.

They have destroyed great universities where many great Vidyas or Topics of studies were learn t and thought.

many great monuments and many great cultures etc etc..

They are real ruiner's of the world .. believe me.

-- Deito

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

Answer 3

Well, part of this confusion is that "Hindu" was a term created by outsiders to describe the lump product of all the native religions and livestyles of the local people they encountered about the Indus river...... But now it is "stuck" as an appellation. So I think that the word has always had a kidn of fuzzy meaning.... It's a little like "Jewish" in that way. Can someone be an Jewish Atheist? Well, yes, of course they can if you are defining Jewishness by bloodline. But they can also convert to being Jewish, if you are defining it by religion. I don't think you can convert to being a Jewish Atheist though. heh. :/ Anyway, the point is that words are sticky and convoluted.

Good luck finding a definition.

Of course, part of your issue is with the history (e.g. vedic vs. dravidian vs. Aryan), and that's a matter to take up with your archeologists and historians and so forth. I think most religions have a bit of an issue tryinng to clarify precisely what's going on in the intersection of linear history and mystical history.... You may just do best to accept that these things are slightly morphic and can't be necessarily pinned down.

Answer 4

HINDU IS A NON SANSKRIT WORD GIVEN BY MUSLIMS
JUST TO DIFFERENTIATE.ARYANS ARE BELIEVED TO
IMMIGRATE IN INDIA FROM NORTHWEST WITH BETTER
WEAPONS AND HORSES(SPEED) WHO CONQUIRED
DRAVIDIANS AND THE CONCLUSIVE WAR WAS BETWEEN RAM AND RAVANA.THERE WERE MANY OTHER TRIBES LIKE BANER,ASURE ,NAGA ETC.BUT WE HAVE LONG MYTHOLOGICAL HISTORY NOT KNOWN TO US BECAUSE RAMSETU IS OVER ONE LAC YEAR OLD .A SERIES OF RAMAS CAME ON THE EARTH AND THE SON OF DASHRATH WAS THE LAST ONE

Answer 5

Before Muslims came, there were no such problems. Society was following only one Dharma, which was Sanatan Dharma. Sanatan Dharma envisaged all races existing in India as one. Great scholars of Hinduism have come from Aryas and Dravids in equal numbers. Dravids are characterised as Austroloid and Aryans as Cocosoids. The original habitate of Austroloids is in Australia, Small number of this variety is still available in Australia as aborigins. Strangely enough the Austroloids are found in India as Dravids, in Australia as aborigins and in America as red Indians. Cocosoids are Goths in Itali, Semites in Iraq, Nothman in Europe and Russia, Sexons in England, Aryans in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. Migration of one race from one area to another area was most common under the compelling weather condition. So forget who came first to India. But the fact remains that India was never divided on religious lines before advent of Islam in India.

Answer 6

A counter question! what came first: Chicken or egg? The human race has a single source of origin. Politicians have many.

Answer 7

All these differences created by British to divide the integrity of India. Present politicians are deliberately using these differences to earn their bread(?). But for a common citizen like us should understand this, there is nothing for us by dividing ourselves with these baseless arguments. We have to be more logical and practical by thinking that, if we divide our hearts definitely we will be losers.

Answer 8

May be you have that kind of time available with you. All others don't necessarily have time available for debating.

And what are you going to gain by this debate even? Far from enlightenment, it will only inflate your size.

Answer 9

you see a tree ona piece of land now .it does nt occur to immidiately that it srpouted from the seed of another one that existed there itsle of elsewhere and that one sprouted from the seed of some other treee that existed somwhere that no oe knows now and so on.If you were to trace th eorigin , whare will y go finally and where will you end ?/Will there be really an end as we see and even make new elements from the compnents of one tath alresdy exist and that nothing , even natur edoes not create the components of the elements .We Find them existing in the immeasureable and boundless space .So nothing came iont existenmce and everything existed - in the sense that the basic building blocks of the elements existed and they by permutaion and combination create nwe things just as we make a lot of fodd stuff with the same flour.
the very question who came first , itself looks absurd and wjhat made those people already existed anmd we see the elemetns changing continuouly.whre will we goto find out the beginning of thsio change tha is going on in theformation of elements ?
Does it not look that it is all th emore possible hat hs world id not the first one to have formed .itmight have undergone several changes and could have been a world of this kind several times before it became thone we are now .since h ematter of which it is composed of is undying and unborn and always existed .this situation is something of a miracle to the human mind as its experience is differerent in the controlled and closed environment influenced by the gravity of the mass that we call the world .
There is absoluteluy no confusion is the character of the components of the elements and the elements and the magic of the permutation and combination they make is understood .We are under the oceanof air which ic a mixtue of Axygen, hydrogen, cabon dioxide , nitrogen , some inert gases etc .Of these oxygen is th eone that enables us to cobust and digest the food we eat and the compound of the two gases oxygen and hydrogen becomes water and enbles us to drink it and help us in many processes of ;live , like digestion,blood circulatioin , the transportation of the nutients to all the cells , cooling the body, If we go deep into these elements we that eh electrons and proteons alsone are doing maqurading as different elements snd different compounds are doig all this mircle and they become the ambrosia and the poison at the same time .they cha efrom oneto another and in all thigs and beig it is they that form the soul and ultimae and fundamentsl and basis componets .it is the same things that form and expose themsels as different things with differen t qualities .so is God the same god ,exposoing HIMSELF in ever so manythings with different qualities .HE IS IMMORTALITY AND DEATH.HE IS POISON AND AMBROSIA .
He always existed and did not come into being at any time and so has no beginning .so is th eunverse that has no beginning .it did not come into existence .It always eixted but continued to perform th emagic pof permutation and combination as munmanifest and manifest .neither it is old , nor is it new .
So the humans also came out of somethimg in thecourse of t its permutation and combination.
The Hindus alone ha accouts of the time the beginnig of which is is impossible to calculate . Accordin to them ther are four yougas known as
Kritha yuga
Dhretha yuga
hwapara yuga
and Kali yuga
These four make one chathur Yuga that runs fopr 43,20000 years ,71 of these chatur Yugas (71* 43,20,000) make one Manvanthra
14 of these manvntra make one Kalpa (43,20,000 *71 *14) = one Kalpa .
The universes are made and unmade in the time of One Ka;lpa which corresponds to half a day of Brahmma .That is one kalp ia his night and another klapa is his day.So at the day ends and the night comes all the lies unwillignly sink int darkness and they re-emerge at the end the night ( one Kalpa ) and and come back top life ( Not as th ed=same things and individuals ). This proces seing a continupous one how caneny one say with authoty that thepresent unverse we are in is a new one and did not exis before as some other universe . th ehuman nind is too small to understnd it all.This is somethigto e seenby great wisdom secured under very high disciplene that Krsihna teaches in Bhavad -gita.Bhagavad -gita iself says that the uiverse is one that is annihialted and re-made at theend of thousands of Kalpas .
this is th enatue oif the univese and the worlds and the lives in them.so noen can say wiht any semblence of authority that this men cam foirst aot theat men came first ..the fact is thwt boty existed and we see themboth exist eventodayh and bout practice thesame culture too. The skin colour and habits of hepeoolelare decided by he environment they live it .Even the vegetaionand he animals you call theflora and fauna are influenced by the climate of he regions thay live in. Those who live in the frigid zone do nt get affected by muchpf ultra violet rays and they are fair incolour and those who live in temperate zoens are exposed to ultra violet rays mnore that eh skin produces lot oa melanin pigment to protect the body from the effects of the ultra violet rays .so they are dark .That is the cause of difference . so also the habbits of the pople are ifluenced by the climate . the northof india is closer to the temperte zone and the colder region of the Himalays and th southern regions are closer to the equator and the temperate zone and so people there are darker .If thepeople ae assessed by the habits snd cultuer , they shuld be long to one group only and they cannt be divided by the colour of the skin which resultes from their location in diferent zones .
Rama should hav existed and the description of the bridge beig msde by dumping stones and pebbles in the sea connecting the main land of Indaia and Srilanka , that corresponds to thenatural formationof sand bridge comnnecting the two countries ,only confirms the fact as Valmiki who lioved in the North Inida could not have seen the bridge or natural formation that is under water and could be seen only by remote sensing by NASA,Valmiki was not a NASa manin dretha yuga .so those sho deny the existence of ama are simnply ignorant or ;lacking insense . the sand structure between India and Sri Lanaka only PROVES THAT RAMA WAS A REAL CHARACTER .
the strucure buit wit rough and losse stones and sand and pebbles some millions of years ago should necessarily hav beencorroded by he salt waer s of he sea and reduced and sunk by he waves battering against the structure for millions of years .

Answer 10

aryan came first in hindu religion texts

but you cannot put someone's religion saying that this and that is a myth,