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2007-10-05 02:33:35 · 16 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

I read that the Vatican was thinking about doing away with the doctrine.

2007-10-05 02:41:29 · update #1

16 answers

He all ready has.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18296718/site/newsweek

2007-10-05 02:42:51 · answer #1 · answered by ~Heathen Princess~ 7 · 0 6

certainly the Pope can not abolish Purgatory because of the fact this is been categorized as a prepare. And all Church doctrines are formulated off of holy scripture, it incredibly is the reason women persons can't grow to be Bishops or clergymen. A Pope can in basic terms replace Church doctrines that previous Popes placed into Canon regulation based upon their very own divine interpretation of holy scripture which comes from God. The Pope can create new doctrines that are formulated off of holy scripture if it has come from God. And a Pope can do away with Church doctrines on condition that the situations of society have replaced in a rely which the doctrine not applies inclusive of doctrines related to slavery. however, to ensure that a Pope to do any of those issues he would ought to hold a Ecumenical Council of Bishops formerly making any differences to the certainly Canon regulation. And the doctrine of Limbo has continually been an unofficial coaching of the Church. Pope St. John Paul II needed to do away with the doctrine. Pope Benedict XVI reinstated the doctrine of Limbo. So even differences that have been made by skill of predecessor Popes could be unmade by skill of a present day Pope. by skill of ways Limbo remains seen an unofficial Church doctrine. Sorry approximately this not being humorous, however this is actual.

2016-10-21 03:02:46 · answer #2 · answered by saucier 4 · 0 0

Probably never.

+ Purgatory +

The concept of purgation is hinted at in the Bible. Here are a couple of places:

"But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire." 1 Cor 3:15

"So that the genuineness of your faith, more precious than gold that is perishable even though tested by fire, may prove to be for praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ." 1 Pet 1:7

Are you perfect now? Most people would say no.

Will you be perfect in heaven? Most people believe yes.

Purgatory (or purgation) is the process of God's love changing our imperfect selves on earth into perfect beings in heaven. Depending on the amount of change needed by different people, this can be an easy or slightly harder process.

Everyone in purgatory is on his or her way to heaven. I do not think Mother Teresa of Calcutta had a very hard time of it.

+ Limbo+

The Church has pondered the suggestion of Limbo for a few hundred years and has decided that it is not a good idea. Limbo was never official doctrine.

Jesus said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved." (Mark 16:15-16)

For centuries, people have wondered about children who died before they were baptized. The Bible does not explicitly state that they will go to heaven.

Limbo was suggested as the place where unbaptized babies went when they died. This idea was never official Church doctrine and has been rejected.

The Church now says that it is not sure what happens to unbaptized babies when they die but she entrusts them to the mercy of God.

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Chruch section 1261: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2.htm#1261

+ With love in Christ.

2007-10-05 17:05:51 · answer #3 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 0 1

I doubt it.............seek knowledge in Catholicism.
Limbo and Purgatory are not the same.


"All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven" (Catechism of the Catholic Church 1030).

Purgatory is simply the place where already saved souls are cleansed of the temporal effects of sin before they are allowed to see the holy face of Almighty God.

Revelation 21:27 tells us that "...nothing unclean will enter [Heaven]."


Purgatory is His way of ensuring that Revelation 21:27 is true and that nothing unclean will see Heaven. It is only through Christ's sacrifice that we are shown this mercy! It is Christ and Christ alone Who allows us access to the Father.

It's isn't in the Bible, but neither are the words "Trinity," "abortion," "lesbianism," and "cloning" (or "Rapture," for that matter), and it doesn't matter whether you call the process of purgation "purgatory" or the "Final Theosis": the concept of a "final cleansing" or "purgation" for those who require it is very evident in the Bible, in the writings of the early Church Fathers, and in the Old Testament religion whence Christianity sprang.

Daniel 12:2, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Hebrews 12:14, Hebrews 12:22-23, 1 Peter 4:6 and Revelation 21:10, 27 all speak of Purgatory in their telling of the need for purification, prayers for the dead, Christ's preaching to the dead, or how nothing unclean will see God.

Archaeology also indicates the antiquity of the Christian belief in Purgatory/the Final Theosis: the tombs of the ancient Christians were inscribed with words of petition for peace and for rest, and at the anniversaries of deaths, the faithful gathered at the graves of the departed to make intercession for those who'd gone before.

Orthodox Jewish practices, which branched off from the Old Testament religion, to this day reflect belief in this "place" of final purification which they call Gehenom: when an Orthodox Jewish person dies, a ritual called the taharah is performed by the "Chevra kaddisha -- gmilat khessed shel emet," the "Holy Society" or "Burial Society" of Jews knowledgeable in these traditional duties. They cleanse and prepare the physical body and recite the required prayers (Chevra Kadisha) which ask God for forgiveness for any sins the departed may have committed, and beg Him to guard and grant eternal peace to the departed. For eleven months after the death of a loved one certain members of the family pray a prayer called the Mourner's Qaddish (or Kaddish) for their loved one's purification.

Even the The Talmud1 speaks of Purgatory:

Sabbath 33b:
"The judgment of the wicked in purgatory is twelve months."
Rosh HaShanah 16b-17a:
"It has been taught that the school of Shammai says: "There will be three groups on Judgment Day (yom haDin):
(1) one that is completely righteous,
(2) one that is completely wicked,
(3) and one that is in between."

Jews, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox have always proclaimed the reality of the final purification for those who need it. It was not until the Protestant Reformers came in the 1500s that any Christians denied the idea of a final purgation before seeing the face of God.

2007-10-05 20:30:00 · answer #4 · answered by cashelmara 7 · 0 1

I expect the catholic church to abolish purgatory right before they abolish the Pope.

2007-10-05 02:37:25 · answer #5 · answered by Fish <>< 7 · 1 0

Limbo is not purgatory. The Pope cannot undo purgatory anymore than he can undo heaven, hell or the transfiguration.

http://www.catholic.com/library/purgatory.asp

2007-10-05 02:54:44 · answer #6 · answered by Adoptive Father 6 · 2 0

He should abolish the teaching of hell since it is not biblical, but Greek paganism.

Purgatory is somewhat biblical as it is similar to what Jews believe.

2007-10-05 02:38:58 · answer #7 · answered by ST 4 · 4 2

Not in my lifetime, I'm afraid. I'm not even sure how things do get changed in the Catholic church.

2007-10-05 02:38:40 · answer #8 · answered by pufferoo 4 · 0 1

The dogma of `Purgatory` cannot be abolished as it is a firm part of the teaching of the church, there is much testament to the reality of Purgatory and it is well defined in scripture even if the Protestant reformers threw it away themselves.
Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, "be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.

Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.

1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

Phil. 2:10 - every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, on earth, and "under the earth" which is the realm of the righteous dead, or purgatory.

2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.

Heb. 12:14 - without holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true holiness before God, and this process occurs during our lives and, if not completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory.

Heb. 12:23 - the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. They do not necessarily arrive perfect. They are made perfect after their death. But those in heaven are already perfect, and those in hell can no longer be made perfect. These spirits are in purgatory

2007-10-05 02:40:16 · answer #9 · answered by Sentinel 7 · 2 3

Who cares when he does? Purgatory doesn't exist no matter what he says. The "pope" isn't in the Bible anyway.

Catholics are not saved Christians.

2007-10-05 02:36:49 · answer #10 · answered by CJ 6 · 5 8

Why would he deny the truth?

It is only a false prophet who denies the truth.

2007-10-05 02:37:01 · answer #11 · answered by Sldgman 7 · 2 4

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