As someone else pointed out, "It's not about RELIGION. It's about RELATIONSHIP". True.
BUT.............
The Catholic Church believes that we ARE saved by our baptism
We are BEING SAVED
We SHALL BE SAVED .. if we "hold out until the end" (MT 10:22)
The Catholic Church is also the ONLY church has has ALL of the necessary graces to get one to Heaven.
Do we Catholics automatically go to Heaven? N - O....NO!!! But again, we have all of the graces necessary to help us on our journey.
How many of you take vitamins that contain 100% of every vitamin and mineral needed according to the RDA? Think of the Church as having 100% of the RDA for eternal life: absolution from sin (not just covering them over like protestants believe); the Eucharist and other sacraments; the Liturgy, Grace and many other "helps" to get us safely to journey's end IF we partake of them.
2007-09-28 12:23:55
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answer #1
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answered by The Carmelite 6
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There are the saved and not so saved in every Christian denomination.When we look into the old testament we even see those who never heard of Baptism or Confirmation go to heaven. Also the thief on the cross was never baptized or confirmed and never did good works Didn't have any statues to pray to etc . But he met Christ and went to paradise and skipped right over purgatory ..To be saved you must believe in Christ and what He did for you , and except His gift .. Even those who believe on my name shall be saved, but he that believe not shall be damned.You can't work your way into heaven but you sure can to get to hell So what it all boils down to is a matter of the heart. If you just excepted Christ as your saviour and believe , and crossed the street and got killed you would go to heaven .Thats how much you are loved
2007-09-28 12:09:59
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answer #2
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answered by the only 1 hobo 5
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How can I say that Catholics are not saved?
A priest said so. In Mass. And I would fully expect to hear it again.
No, they're not saved.
Not yet.
They haven't died yet. Right now it's all about living a life of faith, and a life pleasing to the Lord. Focus on that,. "Eyes on the prize," yes, but entering eternal life is later. Living for Christ is now.
2007-09-28 16:08:49
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answer #3
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answered by ccrider 7
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I think that it is a shame that there is so much misunderstanding between the churches, or denomination.
some Protestant claim to know what the Catholic believe, while some Catholics claim to know what the protestants believe.
and many Protestant claim that they are the only true Church,
it will be funny when we get to heaven and find out that we were all wrong.
2007-09-28 12:36:53
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answer #4
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answered by Hannah's Grandpa 7
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I believe that there are many people attending many different denominations that are not living in a relationship with Christ. There is a difference between baptist or methodist or a catholic for that matter and being a disciple of Christ. It's not about RELIGION. It's about RELATIONSHIP.
2007-09-28 11:42:00
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answer #5
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answered by Jon 2
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Indeed, if any are saved all are saved, since there is no respect of persons with God. However, there's the matter of saved and destroyed after to consider in Jude 1:5. For there is temporal salvation and there is eternal salvation to sort out.
Eternal salvation is notably "through Jesus --> Christ"; For in Jesus: "the Saviour of Israel" (of Jacob-->Israel), there is only temporal and partial salvation by another law which later makes people feel wretched and forsaken. But in Christ: "the Saviour of the world", there is eternal and global salvation by the end of the law, once and for all. And if entangled again by the snare of the devil, well then it's recover yourself or have a dead end, till the rest of us go on unto perfection, endure to the end written, so none perish thereby.
So then, by what you've written, your salvation, and that of Roman Catholics (since catholic by itself means universal) is temporal and partial. For by the shedding of blood almost all (but not all) things are purged. But by the end of the law, all things are purged. Your remembrance of sin reveals you are not fully purged of sin consciousness, not yet free of bondage. So then what's said to Peter, called Satan, could aalso be said to you: "when thou art converted, then strengthen thy (scatter brained) brethren". Until then, it is preposterous order to teach first and learn afterward.
Not to mention what you believe is also what devils believe.
The biblical objective is not to believe, but rather to "know".
"Know" the truth makes you "free" of believe the lies (laws).
Saved means graced, delivered, rescued from destruction.
Our Father, deliver us from evil: Matthew 6:13
We are delivered from the law: Romans 7:6
So saved means delivered from law(evil).
For law is "both good and evil", ends evil.
God our Saviour will have two things:
- all men saved(graced, delivered) "AND"
- all men aware what they're saved from: law.
The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
2007-09-28 12:27:19
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answer #6
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answered by Anonymous
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There was a question that was somewhat similar to this one in regards to salvation. It is interesting how a religion can say that they are saved now when the Bible says different. That is the difference between the beliefs of Christendom, which is not backed up with scriptures and what the Bible really teaches. Yes, the same religions that claim to be Christians, or ones who follow the Christ, think that they are saved now. That means that no matter what sin you commit (even if it is willful), you will still be saved. In other words, there is no accountability for their sins and they will still be saved. What is the point of being faithful if this were to be the case? Let me explain, through Jehovah God’s inspired Word the Bible.
Jesus NEVER said that one he died that everyone was saved. That is a bold-faced lie. If you say that you have a personal relationship with Jesus; answer me this: “do you preach the goods news of God’s kingdom like Jesus did with his disciples? Do you acknowledge that Jesus is not part of a trinity or triad?
This is one the most famous teachings in the churches today. However, many who are taught this analyze what this teaching means. “Once saved, always saved.” Just think about that term for a second. That means that no matter what sin you commit (even if it is willful), you will still be saved. In other words, there is no accountability for their sins and they will still be saved. What is the point of being faithful if this were to be the case? Let me explain, through Jehovah God’s inspired Word the Bible.
Is it true that once a person is saved, they are always saved? Here are the scriptural answers to these questions. By letting God’s inspired Word the Bible answer such questions, I keep myself from “becoming a cause for stumbling” to those who read this response (1 Corinthians 10:32).
Jude 5: “I desire to remind YOU, despite YOUR knowing all things once for all time, that Jehovah, although he saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterwards destroyed those not showing faith.”
This was referring to the Israelites. They knew about Jehovah God’s laws, principles, and standards. Yes, they were delivered from Egypt and into the wilderness, but they began to murmur because they were eating the same food for 40 years. That food was keeping them alive. These Israelites even wanted to go back to Egypt, the place from which they were delivered because of the life they led there. As a result of their continued disobedience and lack of faith, Jehovah destroyed them. So much for “once saved, always saved.”
Matthew 24:13: “But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.” Yes, one has to endure to the either the end of his or her life or until the end of this conclusion of this system of things in order to receive salvation. Therefore, a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus. More is involved. So much for “once saved, always saved.”
Hebrews 10:26, 27: “For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.”
Thus, the Bible does not go along with the idea that no matter what sins a person may commit after he is “saved” he will not lose his salvation. It encourages faithfulness. Hebrews 6:4-6 shows that even a person anointed with holy spirit can lose his hope of salvation.
Hence, more than just faith is needed in order to gain salvation.
Ephesians 2:8, 9: “By this undeserved kindness, indeed, YOU have been saved through faith; and this not owing to YOU, it is God’s gift. No, it is not owing to works, in order that no man should have ground for boasting.”
The entire provision for salvation is an expression of God’s undeserved kindness. There is no way that a descendent of Adam can gain salvation on his own, no matter how noble his works are. Salvation is a gift from God given to those who put faith in the sin-atoning value to the sacrifice of his Son.
James 2:14, 26: “Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if a certain one says he has faith but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it? Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”
1 Corinthians 10:12: “Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.” Therefore, we must not be overconfident that once we are saved, we are always saved.
Much work is involved in order to be saved. In summary, we must endure to the end (either or our lives or the conclusion of this system of things) by taking in accurate knowledge of both Jehovah God and Jesus Christ and not end up like the Israelites who did not hold up to their integrity while in the wilderness and as a result were destroyed.
Thanks,
Source(s):
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
Reasoning from the Scriptures (1989)
Published by Jehovah’s Witnesses
Principle Subject: Salvation
Subheadings: Once a Person is saved, Is he always saved?
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Is anything more than faith needed in order to gain salvation?
Pages 358-360
2007-09-29 16:03:27
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answer #7
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answered by the_answer 5
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Through our actions (sinning mortally and facing death in that state), we can reject God's gift. We must bear the fruit of Christ in order for him to recognize us.
2007-09-28 18:46:14
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answered by SigGirl 5
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Stand true to what you believe, and undaunted by the world, united by He Who Unites with His Most Holy and Substantial Body, WE ARE ONE.
2007-09-28 16:46:48
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answered by Shinigami 7
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Well said. Not all non-Catholics believe that Catholics are unsaved. There are many Catholics who feel that non-Catholics are unsaved or in error. It goes both ways. As Christians we are to love one another. What the truth is for all of us is that our unity, what makes us all one, is our love for God which we all found through Christ. Keep the faith and God bless.
2007-09-28 11:52:06
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answer #10
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answered by Bill Mac 7
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