Evolutionists: If your theory is true then how do you explain giraffes?

Question

Prominent creation scientist Em Adjineri has recently been studying giraffe fossils and discovered that they conclusively disprove evolution. The giraffes from millions of years ago have short necks, but today's giraffes have long necks.

The fossil record from the transitional period would help determine how long it took for the transition from long to short necks. However, that would require studying transitional fossils. Em Adjineri is a creationist, so she ignores transitional fossils.

The Em Adjineri explanation for the change in neck length is the Biblical Flood. The reason for why giraffes have long necks is because all the short-necked giraffes were killed in the flood. The long-necked giraffes held their heads above water and survived the flood.

Since only the long-necked giraffes survived, survival of the fittest is false. Therefore, evolution is false and creationism is true.

Answer 1

Em hasn't been reading her bible, has she? The famous Christian fundamentalist, Ewan Meelaff, reminded us once that in Gen 9:20 that the "mountains were covered" by water a mere "15 cubits" deep. Given that a cubit is just less than half a meter, the water covering the entire earth, the mountains included, was just over seven meters deep. Meelaff, as I'm sure you would, noticed that the maximum height of modern day giraffes is less than five and a half meters and thus posed the two questions:

1) Did biblical flood giraffes stand on tippy-hooves on big rocks? and,
2) Why were biblical flood giraffes nearly as tall as mountains?

Ewan Meelaff and Em Adjineri might need to rethink their creation science.

Answer 2

First flaw; your text assumes that millions of years ago, giraffes all had short necks - then you say only the long necked giraffes survived the flood because they held their heads above water. So when did they start to pop up, if all giraffes all those years ago had short necks?

Second flaw; you don't mention the flora in those days. I believe most of the area where the first giraffes lived, used to be shrubs and other low growing trees. The flora then evolved with the weather; trees grew higher and the giraffe evolved with the flora. It's all a matter of survival.

Third flaw; weren't there giraffes on the Ark?

Fourth - and critical - flaw; so, because someone is a creationist, they don't have to examine transitional fossils, even though it's *impossible* to deny those fossils' presence, because they bleedin' exist?


No wonder you guys are never taken seriously.

Answer 3

"The reason for why giraffes have long necks is because all the short-necked giraffes were killed in the flood.".... "Since only the long-necked giraffes survived, survival of the fittest is false."

That's funny, by what you said survival of the fittest did occur, the short necks died out whereas the longer necks survived.

"However, that would require studying transitional fossils. Em Adjineri is a creationist, so she ignores transitional fossils." Gee, it must be nice to ignore historical data to prove your own theories.

Answer 4

You seem to lack basic understanding of both evolution and fossilisation.

1. Evolution can be either gradual (micro evolution) such as small changes in size from one generation to the next or sudden (macro evolution) as would occur in the case of a beneficial mutation. The number of segments in the bodies of most multicellular animals is controlled by genes known as HOX genes. In mammals the number of segments corresponds to the number of vertebrae in the body. A simple HOX gene mutation would produce an increased neck size in one generation compared to the next, requiring no intermediate stages.

2. Fossilisation is a very rare ocurrence. It has been estimated that between 80-90% of all living things that ever existed have left no fossil record at all. In the case of the micro evolution of the giraffe's neck it is therefore highly likely that no intermediate fossil forms will ever be found.

To take an example, it has been calculated that if an animal the size of a mouse and a reproductive cycle of 5 years were to grow a small amount in each generation at a rate so small that no human would notice a change in his entire lifetime, that animal would still evolve to the size of an elephant in just 60,000 years. 60,000 years in evolutionary terms is the blink of an eye. In terms of fossilisation, it would be nothing short of miraculous for any intermediate fossil form to be preserved over such a short time span - the elephant form would just "appear" in the fossil records and there would be little hope of even linking it with its ancestor of just 60,000 years earlier.

If your prominent scientist Em Adjineri (= imaginary) doesn't understand these simple and well-established principles then he is no scientist at all.

As far as long-necked giraffes holding their necks above water during the flood:-
(a) if the flood covered the whole world as the bible states then these giraffes would need necks several hundred feet long at least because the flood water would have to be very deep to submerge the entire planet
(b) the bible states that the flood lasted 40 days and nights. How do you suppose any animal like a giraffe which must eat virtually constantly could survive for 40 days without food (or did it sprout gills and dive for its food?). If you stand a giraffe in water up to its neck for even a day I think you'll find it will die.
(c) the bible states the giraffes were on the Ark - are you saying the bible is wrong on this point?
(d) survival of long-necked species at the expense of short-necked rivals has a special name... EVOLUTION

Answer 5

the average giraffe is about 17 feet tall and the tallest on record was 20 feet. even if all the giraffes stayed on land, which they were suppose to be on the boat in the first place, there would NOT have been enough water to KILL every thing else on the planet AND let the giraffes live AND float the friggin ark. this is what happens when a fundie tries to be a scientist....


stick to blind faith and cud chewing rabbits, bats are birds, and insects have four legs and leave the thinking to the adults...

EDIT

well that will teach me to read the fine print or in this case the 'about me' details...

Answer 6

No, I think that would be a dumb assessment, because that would have to mean that all those short-necked horses and okapis and antelopes, etc., couldn't get food either! They would have starved to death!
Also, only the male giraffes would have survived, because females have shorter necks. I guess those giraffes were just being gentlemanly to allow those females to get some food so they wouldn't starve.

Answer 7

Animals evolve in a way to enable them to survive. The giraffe kept reaching up or foliage from higher up than the other animals could reach .
Their long necks and legs enable them to reach food , other animals found other methods . Climbing was one way , flying was another .
Those animals that evolved in a way that enabled them to find food , thrived . Others became instinct .
The giraffe is a perfect example of evolution .

Answer 8

No, I think the short-necked giraffe got his head caught in the door of the ark and Noah didn't notice it and took off. The poor giraffe got his nect stretched for 40 days and 40 nights. Ergo, long-necked giraffes and no naughty evolution to explain them.

Answer 9

"The long-necked giraffes held their heads above water and survived the flood."

Hahahahahaha. What are you 10? You can't be serious.

Answer 10

Wouldn't survival of the fittest work with your theory? I mean the long necked giraffes survived....because of their long necks. :P

Earle is my Em Adjinary boyfriend.