Feds sue Illinois over law to bar employers from easy social security no match checks?

Question

Illinois recently passed a law FORBIDDING employers to enter the voluntary social security number check program for employees, as the Feds were talking about implementing the program as a requirement. The feds are suing Illinois over this. This is the first thing I've seen that suggests to me they might be serious about any enforcement at all.

What do you think?

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=44735&src=109

Bryan, it is a voluntary safe harbor right now for employers.

Dog tricks, the new federal position would give them 90 days to cure. That is a LONG time. for example, seasonal workers wouldn't even be hit, would they? And now the social security adminstration ISN'T ALLOWED to tell those who have had their SS numbers stolen that they are being used. It is insane.

How exactly would you EVER enforce against employers without this sort of system? And would it ever be absolutely foolproof?

Answer 1

Next - the sanctuary cities! I think they know we really don't trust them to enforce current laws.

Answer 2

I am thrilled to see them sue Blago. It just shows how insane they are with the laws here. Make a voluntary program against the law? Name 1 single thing that has federal government tagged to it that is 99% perfect? I hope they do start cracking down big time. Heck if it was left to the state of Illinois they would simply hand it over to illegals. With the corruption in this state they would be right at home. Heck....an anchor baby is an alderman who's dad (an illegal) had a multi-million dollar phony document ring going under the guise of being a photo shop. Nothing much more than the Mafia with a latin twist. Somebody has to start cracking down on the fearless leaders here because they are out of control.

Answer 3

Claiming that those no match list are burden to the employees as well as the employers is a stalling tactic. When I remarried I changed my name at my work, but not with SS. When I filed a jointed income return, with my new name, within three weeks I got a letter from the IRS, saying that my name and my SSN did not match. I contacted SS and had the problem corrected in two weeks. When they illegals use forged or stolen SSN are contacted about no match letters, they know why, so that is not a burden, that's breaking the law. When others such as myself get letters we just clear up the problem, not really a burden, because we failed to correct or change our information. So this is nothing more the illegals and their enablers once again trying to get away with being here illegally

What I find amusing is when cities like Hazelton,Pa try to protect them selves from the illegals, and pass laws, they are told that only the federal government can pass laws and enforce immigration laws, But when the federal government try to hold cities or states accountable for those Federal laws, such as in this case, they cry fowl and also sue for undo burden. How nice for the illegals to have so many willing to sue on their behalf's

Answer 4

What a great post. Kind of puts it all into perspective doesn't it? Now when I have to pay 15% of my total gross, not just a small part of it to FICA, I will at least know who to thank. We are being taxed to death in this country, and every year, we get a little less for our money. It seems that what we pay has been adjusted for inflation, a lot, considerably more than any adjustment of what is paid out. Survivors and disability benefits have been cut substantially too. I guess they would have to be since we now pay for all the immigrants too. My aunt and grandmother who came to this country in their 30's had reduced benefits, because they didn't get here until their 30's. as a result, when they died in the 80's, they were recieving benefits of 145.00 and 155.00 per month, and had to survive on that and their savings. It was only fair, because they didn't contribute until their 30's. Where did this fairness go? A friend told me about this site that addresses each of these issues. I think it is worth reading.

Answer 5

It is a fourth degree felony to be in the USA without proper documentation. (IE illegal Immigrant) To aid or abet anyone in the commission of a felony is a felony. Title 10 of the US Criminal Code. If Illinois has passed such a law then the Government should be arresting the state legislature and Governor and trying them for the commission of a fourth Degree felony. If convicted then they should serve jail time ans like the US Constitution provides lose all rights as citizens. (IE vote, own fire arms, be a member of the bar, hold public office)

Since I am no longer a serving CG Boarding PO I can not make said arrests but I would sure like to do the deed.

Answer 6

I think that the state has a point regarding the wait times for approving the eligibility status of perspective employees. However, immigration is not a state's rights issue. It is completely under the purview and jurisdiction of the federal government. Thus if a state creates a law which hampers federal immigration standards and enforcement policy then the federal government is justified in intervening.

Edit: I think the whole thing is worthwhile. As I said the feds have a right to protect what is their balliwick, but I do not see a problem with the oversight this could bring to the process as a whole so that they are not dragging their feet on the approval process.

Answer 7

It's about time the Feds took action. I think it's a sorry excuse for the governor to say: "The (federal) system as it is now leaves too much room for mistakes and abuse."

Of course there are going to be glitches in the system. If you don't use it, how would the system ever be perfected? The creator of the database isn't going to foresee everything...that's why it's important for people, not only to use it but also to find errors that need to be fixed. Anyways, as long as you have proper ID, even if the system is messed up at first, they can't punish you for it. And there's plenty of time to clear up the errors (90 days).

Answer 8

Currently, for example, a person's name change can dramatically skew results of the online verification, attorney Chris Williams with the Chicago-based Working Hands Legal Clinic said. Same goes for hyphens, seniors and juniors.

"The (federal) system as it is now leaves too much room for mistakes and abuse," Blagojevich spokeswoman Abby Ottenoff said.

I didn't realize there were problems with it.But now this raises even more questions.For instance, one of my sons are a junior.Which is on his SS card.Would the system kick him out? I wonder how many citizens will have a problem? because by law if they let the Federal Program go thru the employer would have to let them go.I think they have 6 weeks or something don't they to get it straightened out?But still...we all know how quickly the government works.Truthfully DAR I'm a little torn on this.I know myself I would hate to see citizens caught up in bureaucratic bull. I know what my paycheck means and would hate to see some families lose an income because of a " Glitch".Like I said ...torn.


EDIT: Thank you for clarifying.That's why I come to you on questions. You usually have an answer I can understand.

Answer 9

I think the Dept of Justice is doing the right thing. Illinois is trying to protect illegal aliens, and forbidding employers to verify status via the federal program is exposing the employers to risk of prosecution for illegal hiring.
Now, I'd like to see the feds bring action against the sanctuary cities.

Answer 10

I think it will be effective in at least stopping the fraud with Social Security numbers but they will likely turn around and issue those illegal immigrants an ITIN number. They need to at least do some kind of background security check on the individual before issueing him/her an ITIN. Many (if not all) agencies will accept an ITIN as identification for most services (unfortunately).

Center for Immigration Studies take on illegals using ITIN numbers:

Through its issuance of Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs), the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) appears to be blind or indifferent to the reality that it has:


1) Created an official U.S. tax number that illegal aliens are using as identification, thereby making it easier for them to meld unnoticed into our society;


2) Endangered homeland security by issuing ITINs to illegal aliens, without adequately ensuring that they are denied to terrorists, criminals on the FBI database, and those under deportation notices;


3) Exceeded its traditional role as a tax receiver and processor by marketing the ITIN to illegal immigrant communities;


4) Failed to provide adequate safeguards to prevent illegal aliens from receiving tax benefits to which they are not entitled;


5) Subverted U.S. immigration laws by withholding information from the INS and SSA about fraudulent activity of illegal aliens;


6) Provided an ID vehicle that advocates hope will be used to "regularize" illegal aliens; and


7) Withheld from public review data that is relevant to determining the economic contribution of illegal aliens to U.S. society.