A question for the atheist out there...?

Question

Can nothing create something? If YES, please give scientific example. If NO, does this NOT prove the creator?

If the creator always was.. and always will be.. does that mean he was created? Kinda goes against the definition of eternal.

C'mon people.. I'm looking for serious discussion.. not "Go ask Santa".. or "who created the creator..."

The idea of a creator that always was, and always will be means there is no creator of the creator, only the creator and his word.

But back to my original quesiton. Can NOTHING create SOMETHING? not the mathmatical relivence of nothing.

For the record, I am not a bible thump er nor looking to express my belief or disbelief in one form of religion or another (Christianity or Atheistism)

As science has proven, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change state. So for energy to change state is no big deal. But for energy to coalesce into something so divine (as we can clearly see on our own planet) where the removal of one of the parts can cause a breakdown in the whole takes intelligence. (I.e you remove one species of ant from the rain forest, and the rain forest dies) This creation is more than just a random settling of particles.

My question was merely.. Can nothing create something. Not can energy change state, or can particle pop into and out of a vacuum.

When MAN created the integrated circuit (computers) there was some intelligent design put into the process. It's hard to say that when the creator created creation (as we know it) there was NO intelligence involved.

Answer 1

Nope... doesn't prove a thing other than your question is colored by your particular belief.... You believe in a creator therefore your logic will always run toward backing your belief.. Is that what you were trying to prove? that you believe in a creator? If so you proved it quite well congratulations have a gold star and a pat on the head..

Answer 2

One of the current popular and well-supported theories of the universe, is that it's an eternal loop.

And then, of course, you'll say "but where was the beginning?"

Keep something in mind: planet Earth is in one solar system in one galaxy in an entire universe. The laws of physics that apply in OUR galaxy may not apply to the universe at large. The fact that we see defined "starts" and "stops" doesn't mean that the whole universe functions that way.

And of course, it is something that we cannot truly comprehend. It's like trying to imagine what a million pebbles would look like. We know, logically, that "a million" exists, but our brain can't PICTURE "a million." It's just too large and too far outside what our brains are programmed to do.

The universe is the same way.

You are a simple creature. All humans are. Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it can't be true.

EDIT FOR YOUR ADDITIONAL INFO:
So you're saying that your god can be eternal, but the universe can't? It just sounds to me like you're trying to win an argument you've clearly lost.

There is no reason the universe itself can't be eternal. And if "something" truly can't be created by "nothing," then neither can your god.

Pick one. Either you believe in "eternal" or you don't. You can't just change the rules whenever you start losing.

EDIT:
If the universe is an infinite loop, which is entirely likely, nothing needed to be created. It's infinite. Therefore, there is no need to have a "god," since the universe did not have a geneis.

Once again, don't try to define the universe by your concept of time. The universe works on a different level.

Answer 3

If you belive that God does not need a creator to exist, then why do you insist that the Universe needs a creator to exit? Something can come out of nothing. Virture particles pop into existence all the time. They exist for brief period before colliding and goes back to nothing. The energy that created these particles are called Vacumn Energy.

Answer 4

I am not an atheist but I beleive I can give you a very definate answer. I would venture to say that by the tone of your question you are a follower of the bible, and in saying that you beleive that God is the creator of all things. Let us think outside of your own interpretation of religion for a moment and venture to a more open minded view of God. Why would an all knowing being give a damn what you beleive or what caused you to beleive such it is of no consequence to the Divine what you think feel or how you act. Your worship of the Divine is not what makes him Divine and he does not need you to know him to exist. Your intention is not to ask a question but to try and make a statement of disdain against a group of people that your God created. I will also say this, atheist have no beleif in a god but know and respect the scientific laws which govern existance. Why does God have to be a who is it not within the power of a supreme being to be a what?

Answer 5

We don't have the answers as to how things were created, though there are many theories (very credible ones at that).

So just because we cannot give you a definite answer does not mean that it automatically defers to the other choice, which is "goddidit".

EDIT:

By the logic you use, why can't we say the universe always existed, just in different states (compact singularity and expanded ie: "Big Bang") and that we don't need a creator. That would make EVEN MORE sense than "goddidit".

Answer 6

Hi

I truly believe that there was no creator. That is my honest belief.

I cannot prove the non-existence of something, nor can you.

I also believe that we puny-brained humans cannot understand how something came from nothing, it's not within our logic. Therefore some people prefer to put it down to a 'creator'; some people wait for the answer through science.

Neither of us will ever know for sure - it will be long past our lifetimes when the answer is forthcoming, if it is ever revealed.

Until then, I have my beliefs and you have yours.

An atheist

Answer 7

I saw a great idea on here the other day.
Physics: Energy can not be gained or lost.

From that point we can assume one thing, our universe/galaxy/dimension what ever you'd like to refer to it as has and all ways will contain the exact same amount of energy.
So I would have to assume, regardless of what state, shape or size it was in before the big bang it contained the same amount of energy.

Nothing can not create something, but from there you are assuming that there was indeed a period of time that there was indeed nothing, which there never could be.

Answer 8

If nothing can not create something, then god could not have come from nowhere. Someone would have had to create god, and then there would have to have been a creator for god's creator.

And if you can believe in an eternally existing creator, why can't you believe in eternally existing matter?

Answer 9

It could prove a creator, but this does not mean that the creator is interested in the creation, nor that he is a personal god, or it could prove that the creation is eternal, only change is apparent.

Answer 10

If I tell you everything is eternal and does not need a creator but it evolves and devolves as times goes by, what do you think about it?

Therefore, if a creator do not need a creator, what give you the idea other things requires a creator? Your logic is not very logical.