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The thief on the cross did not need to be baptized because he was under the old law ... jesus told him that he would be with him in paradise ... correct?? well why did jesus tell Nicodemus in John 3 5 that he needed to be baptized to enter into the kingdom if Nicodemus was also under the old law ... jesus had not died yet so they were both under the old law. so was jesus really saying we need to be baptized to go to heaven in John 3 5 ... if you agree that being born of the water means being baptized in water, like Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3 5, because he was under the old law, the thief could not have went to heaven cause he was not baptized I just dont understand how Jesus would tell two different people exact opposite things Help ...God Bless

2007-09-23 18:14:18 · 3 answers · asked by Landon C 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Those who hold baptism to be required for salvation point to “born of water” as evidence. As one person has put it, “Jesus describes it and tells him plainly how—by being born of water and the Spirit. This is a perfect description of baptism! Jesus could not have given a more detailed and accurate explanation of baptism.” However, had Jesus actually wanted to say that one must be baptized to be saved, He clearly could have simply stated, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is baptized and born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” Further, if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9: Titus 3:5).

If “being born of water and the Spirit” is not referring to baptism, then what does it mean? Traditionally, there have been two interpretations of this phrase. The first is that being “born of water” is being used by Jesus to refer to natural birth (with water referring to the amniotic fluid that surrounds the baby in the womb) and that being born of the “Spirit” indicates spiritual birth. While that is certainly a possible interpretation of the term “born of water” and would seem to fit the context of Nicodemus’ question about how a man could be born “when he is old,” it is not the best interpretation given the context of this passage. After all, Jesus was not talking about the difference between natural birth and spiritual birth. What He was doing was explaining to Nicodemus his need to be “born from above” or “born again.”

The second common interpretation of this passage and the one that best fits the overall context, not only of this passage but of the Bible as a whole, is the one that sees the phrase “born of water and the Spirit” as both describing different aspects of the same spiritual birth, or of what it means to be “born again” or “born from above.” So, when Jesus told Nicodemus that he must “be born of water and the Spirit,” He was not referring to literal water (i.e. baptism or the amniotic fluid in the womb), but was referring to the need for spiritual cleansing or renewal. Throughout the Old Testament (Psalm 51:2,7; Ezekiel 36:25) and the New Testament (John 13:10; 15:3; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:22), water is often used figuratively of spiritual cleansing or regeneration that is brought forth by the Holy Spirit, through the Word of God, at the moment of salvation (Ephesians 5:26; Titus 3:5).

2007-09-23 18:45:30 · answer #1 · answered by Freedom 7 · 0 0

John 3:15-18,
The thief believed ...John 3:15

Nicodemus was a master of Israel, :Carnal Mind: John 3:10

2007-09-23 18:29:15 · answer #2 · answered by --}--@STORMY@--}-- 2 · 0 0

The thief repented on the cross and was forgiven.

2007-09-23 19:13:34 · answer #3 · answered by robert p 7 · 0 0

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