2007-09-23 17:07:31 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
JR, what does that have to do with the question? Are you dodging it? I presented the gospel to you. You were correct in saying you've broken then ten commandments just like I have but you deny the existence of hell where lawbreakers are punished. Until you search the entire bible reguarding this teaching we don't have anything to talk about. Jesus warned about it plenty of times in the new testament. I'd suggest you get a KJV Bible and start reading it. Leave the magazines and watchtower books aside. The Bible alone can interpret itself.
2007-09-23 17:46:03 · update #1
JR: Maybe you could expound on this verse,please.
: I didn't think that you would.
Christain Soldier: The Jws are right when they say that hell is the grave.They think that if your not as good as you should be that you stay in the grave.What they don't read is this.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and [hell] delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Vs.14 And death and [hell] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Vs.15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
See they don't get to stay in the grave.
Rev 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
What else can be said of this cult?Once again God's Word is true.
2007-09-23 17:16:58 · answer #1 · answered by don_steele54 6 · 1⤊ 6⤋
Well considering how many Witnesses are in Israel, and the fact that some probably came from other countries, chances are there are some from other countries currently in Israel. As for your statement, presumably some people from the various bloodlines do still exist, so why say they don't??
As for saying that we as Christians don't feel that the special relation Jehovah had specifically with them is ended, sure. Shouldn't we be willing to share our beliefs?? We would of course be polite and tactful.
2007-09-25 20:04:32 · answer #2 · answered by Ish Var Lan Salinger 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
After year 70 C.E do you have record to prove who belong to each tribe?
"I presented the gospel to you" is that the gospel that Jesus command his follower? "go and preach that the 12 tribes of israel are going to heaven" that wasd the message Jesus told his followers to spread?
man you still dont know that the main topic of the bible thatJesus command to preach is God´s kingdom and all the benefits that will bring to this planet after Armageddon.
read Matthew 24:14
2007-09-24 00:13:24 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
No one in the U.S.A. would have to go to Israel, because there are as of the year 2006, there are 8714 Jehovah' Witnesses that live in Israel.
And am sure this subject would be explained to anyone interested in Bible Truths.
2007-09-24 02:13:15 · answer #4 · answered by BJ 7 · 3⤊ 2⤋
Yes.
There are hundreds of Jehovah's Witnesses in Israel who preach a correct understanding of the figurative term "twelve tribes" as it is used in the Christian Scriptures. Consider, for example, Israel as it is discussed at Revelation 7:5-8.
Is there any listing (even one) of the twelve tribes of literal Israel which uses the listing given at Revelation 7:5-8?
No.
Revelation's listing is given thusly:
...(Revelation 7:5-8) 'Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin'
Revelation's listing CONTRASTS with the first listing of the twelve tribes of literal Israel. That was given by the patriarch Israel (Jacob) himself, using the names of his twelve sons:
...(Genesis 49:3-28) Reuben...5 Simeon and Levi...8 ...Judah...13 Zebulun...14 Issachar...16 Dan...19 As for Gad...20 Out of Asher... 21 Naphtali...22 ...Joseph... 27 Benjamin...28 All these are the twelve tribes of Israel
Revelation's listing also CONTRASTS with the tribes as they were established in the Promised Land. For reasons explained during the lifetimes of Israel's sons (the original tribal heads), the tribe of Joseph was given the "double portion" and each of Joseph's sons was elevated to become a full tribe (see Genesis 48:1-6 and 1 Chronicles 5:1,2), since Levi would concentrate on priestly duties. At that, the twelve tribes of literal Israel were listed thusly:
...(Numbers 1:4-15) One man to a tribe... 5 ...Of Reuben...6 of Simeon...7 of Judah...8 of Issachar...9 of Zebulun...10 ...of Ephraim...of Manasseh...11 of Benjamin...12 of Dan...13 of Asher...14 of Gad...15 of Naphtali
The bible offers no explanation why the literal tribal names would ever be changed again, prior to the writing or fulfillment of Revelation. Frankly, there is no reason or purpose behind doing so, for the tribal identities of all Jews were lost when Jerusalem's temple was destroyed (that destruction was decades BEFORE the penning of Revelation). No Jew today has any idea what his tribal heritage might be, and even the Jews in the apostle John's day could not prove their specific genealogy.
Frankly, the listing at Revelation chapter 7 seems to have been selected specifically to indicate that this is NOT literal Israel !
Note that the tribe of Dan is NEVER excluded from any other tribal listing, and note that it is inconsistent for Revelation to list Manasseh AND Joseph (Joseph was Manasseh's father, while Ephraim was Manasseh's brother).
Does the bible ever teach that the term "Israel" can refer to Christians rather than Jews? Yes, many times. The bible clearly teaches that Christianity would replace Judaism as the approved form of worship, and those initial Christians would all be part of a new Christian entity called "the Israel of God".
...(Galatians 6:15-16) For neither is circumcision [that is, the former requirements of Judaism] anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation is something. And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God.
...(Romans 9:6-26) It is not as though the word of God had failed [in that Judaism became invalid]. For not all who spring from [literal] Israel are really “Israel” ...8 That is, the children in the flesh [literal descendants of Jacob/Israel] are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the seed. ...22 If, now, God, although having the will to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known...called not only from among Jews but also from among nations, what of it? 25 It is as [God] says also in Hosea: “Those not [Jewish] people I will call ‘my people,’
So does the bible ever refer to "the twelve tribes" when the writer seems quite plainly to be actually referring to the Christian congregation? Yes.
...(James 1:1-2;2:1) James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes that are scattered about: Greetings! Consider it all joy, my brothers...My brothers, you are not holding the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, our glory, with acts of favoritism, are you?
There can be sincere disagreement among Christians about whether the number "144,000" is literal or not, but it seems much less debatable about whether the Christian Scriptures (such as Revelation 7:4) repeatedly discuss literal Israel or instead the Christian "Israel of God" (that is, spiritual Israel).
Learn more:
http://watchtower.ca/e/20041001/article_01.htm
2007-09-25 15:03:11 · answer #5 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
I tried to discuss the Bible with you, but it seems like you stopped after our first conversion? Why was that?
don s
Not sure what you are trying to point out..
don s
*sigh*
I don't mind responding to what you are saying, but I'm trying to see which type of answer you're looking for.
don s
I guess you have no clue what the scripture you quoted is talking about.
Christian Soldier
I don't mind answering your questions, but it seems like you been the one dodging me when you wouldn't answer any of the questions I asked you when we last had our bible conversation. I tried to email you and message you, but you always ignored me.
Update: The first Bible I picked up was the KJV/NIV ver.
Update: I also don't deny the existence of hell, just burning of people in Hell. I always responded to your misquotes of scriptures, but you just run away and don't respond back. You just seem completely lost when I disprove your beliefs.
2007-09-24 00:13:40 · answer #6 · answered by VMO 4 · 5⤊ 4⤋
They might try, but it wouldn't fly.
2007-09-24 00:47:41 · answer #7 · answered by hilbamabush 2 · 2⤊ 2⤋
I'm sure that One of Your God BLESSED "Mercenaries" would protect me !
p.s. I just got Best Answer "you know where" ! ! !
2007-09-24 01:17:59 · answer #8 · answered by . 7 · 2⤊ 4⤋
No I don't think they would!!!
I love your avatar!
2007-09-24 00:43:46 · answer #9 · answered by in His image 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋
No, they would not dare.
2007-09-24 00:13:07 · answer #10 · answered by BaC Helen 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋