The average Englishmen I have met so far seem to be poorly educated: they need a calculator to to find out how

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much it is 1.5 + 2.5, they cannot speak and write in English properly, they do not know much of geography, science and so on. Generally speaking, they are usually poorly skilled, however, they have great aspirations and demands. Therefore, I am not surprised their country needs so many people to do any useful job. Why is that, then, the people like those described above blame immigrants for everything what is going wrong in their country?

Tin Man, look at the majority of te Q&A in Immigration - your compatriots are showing their bad attitude towards foreigners, it is also the same in reality:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2987792.ece

How can you expect the people treated by your compatriots in THIS WASY to be positive about integration with natives?

OK, jenni_m, but at least, I can speak any other language than my own. How many of you can?
I have been here in the UK for a longer while, meeting enough people to know.

Tin_Man again, there are many more negative comments made about immigrants - why we should stay quiet then?

firecat_mage, if your education is so good you should understand my question is not about making a point of people's education, it is about an unjustified feeling of self-claimed superiority and hostility towards immigrants

rusty_red, my job and salary are relevant to my degree and again, why I should stay quiet while being offended? Look at other Q&A in immigration, please, if you do not know what I am talking about.

lancashiretasty, I do pay my taxes, too... so what?

Dirty(er), the question remains: why I should stay quiet?

Steve_C, let me put it simply: look ath the tone of the question you answered just before mine, is it less "condescending"? On which shoulder is the chip we are talking about?

David, you protect and want to help your disadvantaged compatriots, that is fine, but, on the other hand: why they - and not only, and you know that - are free to offend and attack the immigrants?

Tigra, yes, I am not British and proud of it:) What does it mean: English is the best?

Dave, again: sorry, mate, but I do not send any money of my benefits as I simply do not take them: 1st I do not want them and 2nd I do not need them.

Thevinternet, you blame my spelling? OK, but what is "intergration"?
Your finest surgeons, scientist, surgeons - how many of them are actually British? A hint: go to any hospital or university and find the answer.
Again, you read just a few words of my question. It is not about making a laugh about your education, it is about why people like that deserve the right for themselves to disdain and attack immigrants. Follow the link in my question and read the article, please...

jenni, how many people can you meet living in one country for a few years? Few thousands? Perhaps a bit more/less? Do you count every single person you have met?

Dirty, do you know there is a freedom of speech? Your attitude and those similar to you - is the very problem I am dealing with in my question. Above all, it is a free country and let me not take your advice, thank you.

jenni, my great fan, again: thanks for your recommendation, I will recommend you some quick tutorial in reading with understanding instead.

Tin_Man, I like your source, it shows how easily you lose your temper if there is a shortage of arguments...

chopper, because I am getting insulted, is it too difficult?

chopper, can you explain to me, what does mean: to take YOUR jobs? To take the job you are either not willing/ not qualified enough to do?
To take YOUR houses? Is it to pay the fair rate of mortgage - or rent to private landlord?

firecat_m, you stated in one of your previous answers that you are a train driver, how does it correspond with your single Doctorate in Archeoanthropology, 2 Masters Degrees in Archeology and Biology and 5 languages? :-D

Answer 1

Bcuz dey be ignant marther fruckrerz, guvnor!

Answer 2

Actually, every country has its share of undeucated and educated people. I am british. A lawyer with a Master's degree. I speak 3 languages. You will find that in the Us, Germany etc they all have people who are not well educated and those that are. The main problem here is that this is our country and we are aware that we need a certain amount of migrants, especially in Highly skilled fields but generally we don't want more unskilled people or more people in skills that we have enough of locally i.e. IT. As a point of interest University used to be free here but that was changed because almost everyone went to University and nobody was willing to the menial work. The average English person is educated and well-spoken - you obviously hang around with quite the wrong type of people or in the wrong places. If these people are poorly skilled as you state why would we want more poorly skilled people in our country. It is the poorly skilled that do suffer the most from an influs of other poorly skilled workers willing to work for less. Again, this is our country generations of us have made it what it is and we have always welcomed legal, useful migrants who do not drain the economy. It is the others that put people's backs up. Should I ask the question why you feel so strongly your way after all why come live here if you don't like the people - go somewhere you do. I am happy to welcome skilled migrants who are willing to accept the british way of life otherwise go somewhere else.

Answer 3

Firstly, please don't criticise our maths when your grammar and spelling is incorrect, it's rather rude, especially if you are a visitor here.

How many English people have you met exactly? It's true that certain members of our society struggle with numeracy and literacy, but that's true for the disadvantaged in every country in the world - perhaps you haven't met very many of us? Or perhaps you've only met "people like those described" as you put it.

We generally have great aspirations and demands because we are a proud and hopeful people, and want to make both our lives and our country better. This bold spirit is what what made us once the most powerful country in the world, and got us through two World Wars. I would like to point out that we remain one of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world, so we can't be that poorly skilled. What exactly do you mean by "any useful job"? Because our scientists, inventors, engineers and surgeons are in fact some of the best in the world. We just don't like to boast about it - it's seen as slightly crass; perhaps this attitude is slightly detrimental.

There is hostility towards immigrants in some areas, but this is because our government is not fully in control of the situation, and many illegal immigrants are getting into the country. Furthermore, there is an intergration problem, with many immigrants struggling to learn the language, or living in self-segregated areas. There is also a perception that asylum seekers receive "special treatment", often getting priority for council houses and recieving special financial benefits. Whether this is correct or actually a myth, I can't say - I simply don't know enough about the subject.


This "blaming immigrants" issue is further exacerbated by the media (especially the tabloid newspapers), as they realise that fears of "immigration gone mad" sells a lot of newspapers, and jump on even the smallest story or statistic, blowing it out of all proportion.

I'm not a racist in any way, but then again, it is estimated there is still a backlog of 450,000 failed asylum seekers living in Britain. Failed - as in, should have gone back home by now and haven't been deported. This is way too high, but people should be angry at the government for this, not the asylum seekers themselves.

Answer 4

I'm English and I too am amazed at times at the seeming lack of education in a lot of people, who went to inner-city state comprehensives just like me and really have no excuse.

I have to say that on the whole I agree with you. It's not everyone, but too many people in this country want something for nothing.

They also blame a lot of the country's problems on the so-called problems of immigration. They assume (in my personal experience) that all immigrants are illegal and should be sent back to where they came from. They don't understand that often, people pay money to live here and come to fill gaps that we just can't fill.

I work in a hospital. About half the doctors in the department are immigrants. If there were British doctors to fill the posts, then the posts would have been filled by British doctors. I'm sure the same can be said for other professions, too. It works both ways - there are plenty of skilled British people working abroad.

Even when it comes to unskilled labour - I used to work in the catering department of another hospital. They were severely understaffed at one point, in an area of high unemployment, yet the only applicants for the jobs were immigrants. They aren't stealing the jobs, they are doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do anyway.

The biggest problems in this country are caused by lack of education and training, lack of proper careers guidance and lack of discipline. Not by immigration. Immigration comes way down the list! It's just a convenient scapegoat topic.

Answer 5

How many do you know personally?

ps I wouldn't throw stones if I were you. Your grammar leaves much to be desired.

I speak English. I don't need to know any other language.
However, I would like to learn Mandarin and Spanish in the future.

You didn't answer the q. How many do you know? 3? 4? 5? 100? Even if it were 100 it's too small of a sample to represent the population. Take a statistics course.

***I meet ~18,000 diff ppl per school yr. Many are bright, but many are sub par in the intellect dept. I'm a sub teacher.
I read a great deal. I currently have a BA in English and I'm now in the MA program. I understand you perfectly. I gather that you're rather pompous and full of yourself. Instead of acting like a burro perhaps you could put your brain to usage and become a teacher. Cheers.

**** It depends. If you were to move about and leave your social circle and interact w/several diff circles, it would be a much better random sample. Using myself as an example, I only get to see 7th -12th graders in an area in CA flooded w/anchor babies who don't give a shat about learning. If I only based my opinion on such a small sample (even though the # is huge at 18,000) I'd still be wrong. The idea is to go to colleges, learning centers, and social settings. Possibly where you meet these people gives you a skewed result. I worked at a retail store before and if I had judged the entire population on that alone it'd be wrong b/c those people were morons.

btw I've met a few Irish and Brit tourists and I had a great time w/them. They were very polite and didn't try anything crass. Also, how old wer these Englishmen whom you met and did you ask them questions on education level? What other qs did you ask them about geography and science. The degree of difficulty of the q is important. I'm not the best in those subjects either. My strengths are art &literature.

Answer 6

I love your question, really and truely love it. I am English and believe I have reasonable intelligence, I speak a little bit of a few other languages and have a thirst for knowledge about other cultures.
You are right there are many ignorant and stupid British people, although I would say not all of us are like that and whilst you are angeered by people judging all 'immigrants' the same I would say dont judge all British people the same.
I think the influx of foreign workers is only a good thing, the only jobs you really take are the ones that the lowest classes in our coutry are too lazy to take, you should be being paid a lot more and get a lot more respect, and also I think people who live here who are native to other countires should come into our schools and work places and educate us on the country they come from and they upbringing they have.
good luck to you matey!

Dont turn on me, the majority of people who come to this country to work, and if Im right what makes people so mad, are doing slightly more menial tasks! Im on your side!

Answer 7

Come on EE, don't let all the cr@p on here get you bitter; it may be that those are the Brits where you live, work etc, it's a bit like people coming on here judging Romanians by the Gypsies they meet in the street, they're not strictly representative.

No-one denies that there are problems with our education system, with cultural attitudes toward education, work, entitlement, etc, but to be honest these problems exist in some form and to some degree in all Western countries in my opinion.

Answer 8

Of course, you have met thousands of English people in order to come to this conclusion.

I am going to go out on a limb and surmise that you are American,
Speaking for myself, I am poorly educated with only a single Doctorate in Archeoanthropology, 2 Masters Degrees in Archeology and Biology. I also speak 5 languages on top of my native tongue.

Try not to consider the members of a nation by the few you have experience with.
If I were to do the same, I could say that as an American, you are loudmouthed, overweight with a poor grasp of the finer points of the English Language.

I, however, would not presume to form an opinion on a race of people until I had met (and got to know) each and every one of them.

Answer 9

Our Government and Press always blame the last one in for our own wrong doings.
Bad education - must be the Poles fault for bringing their children
Failings by the NHS - obviously the foreign health tourists fault
Overcrowded Prisons - Must be the criminal foreigners again
Not enough affordable homes - Asylum seekers must taking them all

They fail to see that these things have always been wrong and by blaming the immigrant it takes the blame away from themselves, instead of actually doing the sensible things and spending MONEY on our education, on the NHS on new Prisons, and building more affordable homes.

by blaming the immigrant it means that the government don't have to be held accountable and don't have to reach into their pockets.

Answer 10

I agree. I would rather live next to an immigrant than have one of these BNP idiots for a neighbour. Anyone who feels that their jobs are being stolen should go to night school or university and get a better education.

What harm does it do if we Brits go without a few luxuries so that a fellow human being from a different location to ours, can have a better quality of life?

The people that you call "the average Englishman" are in reality, the lowest of the low. They are the pond scum at the bottom of this countries social ladder. They are usually uneducated, loud mouthed, aggressive morons who are afraid of and are intimidated by anything that they don't understand. They see immigrants as being below them and they cling to that so that they can feel better about themselves. They use it as an excuse for their dull and meaningless lives when they should really be pointing the finger at themselves and their parents for not getting a decent education.

Answer 11

Its not the immigrants who are to blame for the problems we face its the government for allowing in so many of them. And, for allowing them to rip off our benefits system. If you were living in your country of origin how would you like to be treated like the invader.

If we didnt spend so much on immigrants maybe we could afford to spend more on educating our children properly and giving them the health service we once enjoyed. Maybe our young people would be able to afford a decent house and just maybe we wouldnt have to concrete over our greenbelt

Not the fault of the immigrants whos own country obviously holds little in the way of living standards but our own government who have sold us out