Answer according to this premise...that God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and you witnessed it...?

Question

If God came to us in the flesh...as Jesus Christ...and you met Him, and witnessed firsthand all the miracles that He performed as His Apostles did...and by witnessing this believed in Him...wouldn't you want to share everything "GOD" taught you with the world? Also if God did these things, meaning of course that Almighty God certainly exists, then couldn't His Holy Spirit, by His infinite power, act within His believers to make certain what He wanted recorded about Himself was in fact accurate so that His interaction and expectation for the world was preserved for all mankind's benefit...past, present and future?

I find it strange that those who do not believe will not adhere to a simple premise.

Premise 1. Also, premiss. Logic. a proposition supporting or helping to support a conclusion.

I know what I conclude personally according to this premise.

I am not defining the requirements of the Messiah...the question I asked is very simple. Based on witnessing Christ...His teaching and His miracles...this of course would include the fulfillment of prophecy...and that for whatever reason, you believe He is who He said He is...wouldn't you want to share what GOD taught, and record it...and couldn't God inspire the written word accurately for future generations? Simple questions really.

Answer 1

i can see that as a believer but anybody that doesnt believe wont see it ..

Answer 2

1. God is not a man, as it says many times in the Torah. The idea that God can come in the flesh is an ancient paganistic idea found in old pagan religions, and does not exist in Judaism. So if you believe this, fine, but understand that it did not come from Judaism or the Torah, you're believing something that came from ancient paganism.

2. We are not to identify the Messiah by miracles. If a man coming to claim that he is the Messiah, or his followers are claiming that, and he does miracles, and this is cited as being proof that he is the Messiah -- he is a charlatan, a false prophet, and not the Messiah. Even the Egyptians could perform miracles. At least two Jewish sages raised the dead long before Jesus - they Egyptians could do this too, let alone the rest of the "miracles" that Jesus did.

There is only ONE criteria given by God by which we will know the true Messiah. The man claiming to be the Messiah MUST, absolutely MUST fulfill ALL of the prophecies during his lifetime. Period. There is no second coming concept in Judaism and never has been. This is a church invention and is totally irrelevant. By this "second coming" idea, I can claim that my uncle is the Messiah, even though he did not fulfill the prophecies during this lifetime. Then what does he have to show that he is actually the Messiah? Nothing. Miracles do not count, as stated before. Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies, and he died, therefore he is not the Messiah.

1. No more war, global peace (the exact opposite has happened since Jesus, with Christianity being the bloodiest, most murderous religion since recorded history)
2. No more illness (obviously not fulfilled)
3. Temple rebuilt (2nd Temple was still standing when Jesus was around)
4. All Jews ingathered (the exact opposite happened after Jesus)
5. Universal Knowledge of God so that no man needs to ever teach another. (hasn't happened. Look around. Jesus didn't fulfill this one either)

There are about 6 or 7 other actual prophecies, not the hundreds of false prophecies that the Church has tried to back engineer into the Torah, that are either false or not even prophecies for the Messiah in the first place. Always, always go to Jewish sources for the criteria for the real Messiah, as those criteria were given directly by God to the Jews on Mt. Sinai, and have not ever been changed.

Most of the rest of the 6 or 7 other REAL prophecies deal with the criteria proof that any man claiming to be the Messiah, must meet.

For instance, the Messiah's FATHER'S lineage (because tribal lineage is passed down only through the father) must be from King David through Solomon.

Both Mary and Joseph denied that Jesus was Joseph's son. God does not father children (this is another ancient pagan belief, not found in Judaism). Therefore Jesus's father is unknown, so he is disqualified.

The Messiah is born in the usual way, from a married Jewish man and his wife. He is not a "god/man" born of a God and a virgin human woman, this is ancient paganism not found in Judaism. No, it doesn't say "virgin" in the Torah, this is a deliberate Church mistranslation. It says "young woman" the word there is "almah" which means young woman. All women who gave birth then were young women, except for Sarah. The word for virgin is "betulah" and this is NOT the word used there. Almah is. There has never existed in Judaism the concept of God impregnating a virgin -- this is purely ancient paganistic religions that have that, not Judaism.

Anyway, again I must reiterate. You are NOT to believe someone is the Messiah by any miracles they perform. This is NOT the criteria that God gave, in fact anyone coming along doing miracles as a part of the claim that he is the Messiah is to be immediately DISQUALIFIED as a fake, and is absolutely NOT the Messiah.

It is ONLY by the fulfillment of ALL of the prophecies during the man's lifetime, that prove that he is the Messiah.

Source: Torah, Judaism

What Jews Believe:
http://www.jewfaq.org

Who the Messiah is NOT, what the conditions of the real Messiah will be, what he will do, etc.:

http://www.aish.com/spirituality/philoso...

http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.htm...

http://ohr.edu/ask/ask00j.htm

http://shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/html/fa...

http://www.beingjewish.com/toshuv/whynot...

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=1...

http://www.jewsforjudaism.com

EDIT: If the premise is flawed, then so will be the conclusion. If I saw Jesus performing miracles, I would know right then and there that he ISN'T the Messiah, because I know that is not what the Messiah does to show that he is the Messiah.

He fulfills the prophecies to show that he is the Messiah. That's it. No miracles. Miracles are not a part of the prophecies - in fact they are given as being signs that a person is NOT the Messiah.

Jesus did not fulfill the actual prophecies for the Messiah, so you cannot include that in your premise either. So why would I want to spread the word that he is the Messiah, after seeing miracles that even they Egyptians could do, and NOT seeing prophecies fulfilled? So your question makes no sense and your premise is flawed.

Now, someone who was not aware of the actual prophecies that the Messiah is to fulfill, but believes the hundreds that the church invented instead, AND not knowing that the real Messiah doesn't do miracles to prove that he is the Messiah, may see Jesus doing miracles and be totally wowed by it. That person would probably want to spread the word, but the word they are spreading is ignorance. In which case he might as well believe that Cris Angel is the Messiah while he's at it.

Answer 3

God did not come in the flesh.
Jesus, a spirit creature (Colossians 1:15) did come in the flesh.
And yes there were many eyewitnesses, they wrote down their accounts in the the books Matthew Mark,Luke and John.
The trinity is a doctrine that had a winding path from it's inception to it;s implementation.
Just read the book "The Two Babylons" from The Rev, Alexander Hislop, to find out how many of Christendom's traditions originated in ancient Babylon.

As for the premise? Tens of thousands of people other than Jesus' disciples DID witness Jesus miracles and life, and were not convinced, what about them?
It is just as Jesus said, many even though eyewitnesses, still did not, and would not believe.

Answer 4

Exactly.

Peace & God bless from Lonestar Prayer Warrior-ess <><

Answer 5

Hey katrina,
you are wrong when you say that Christ did not come in the flesh.
Luke 24:36-39 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
37They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, AS YOU SEE I HAVE."

Answer 6

The very first question, you are asking me to pretend for a moment that I "believed"?

By definition I am an unbeliever, that would be impossible.

How about you pretend for a moment that you didn't "believe", wouldn't that mean that everything else didn't happen either?

Answer 7

Have you read the Bible? If that were all true, given the utter incoherence of the text, God is a powerful moron.

Answer 8

Big if.
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