Use your loaf mate. How can a scientist tell if the universe is 50 million years old or 1 billion years old or even 100 000 years old. We accord them more magical power than they actually have
2007-09-23 06:03:50
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answer #1
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answered by Maxi Robespierre 5
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I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. In the beginning (of time), God already existed. He was. According to man's theory of evolution, the earth is over 10 billion years old, and there are galaxies (heavens) even older than that. Before those 10 billion years, and before the galaxies billions of years older, God was. This time frame is a theory, by the way, it could be a lot younger. But, even if it wasn't, God came first.
The Bible never says (in verse 1) that God created the heavens and earth together, only that they were both created by God, and He pre-dated their existence. Once again, though, man's theory is JUST theory -- and it keeps changing as more facts are discovered. So, I'll withhold judgment until all of the facts are in.
2007-09-23 12:10:04
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answered by Rhonda F 2
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It's interesting that "scientific types" won't generally accept that something could come from nothing: an irrational, inexplicable sudden appearance of something in this life--like money suddenly appearing in a wallet. That sort of thing just just won't fly, for scientists, and most people, I'd say.
Yet, they seem to depart from that stance concerning creation of the planets and galaxies. That somehow--poof!--yes! A big bang, perhaps, that somehow happened, and from which matter somehow spins out, and all these things just kind of form, in time.... Missing still, is the first cause. How can such a freak, unprecedented, seemingly causeless occurrence be an acceptable explanation for a True scientist? That, I don't get. It's incongruous with scientific method.
Important for me to say, is that, yes, a big creational bang could have occurred, and right, all these planets and things formed from it. But someone, please identify the first cause. Without that, we're all accepting some kind of unscientific hocus pocus, IMO.
2007-09-23 13:13:50
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answer #3
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answered by gene_frequency 7
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We don't know, the Bible was written for Earthlings to understand. "Heavens" came first....could this be the 10billion year old galaxies, or our atmosphere? The other galaxies have no bearing on the Bible story, it's all about Earth and mankind. How would people living during the time of Genesis understand "galaxy"? We certainly have no understanding of God's measure of time. Do you think God created everything in 6 of man's 24 hour periods? I don't, and more importantly it has no bearing on salvation.
2007-09-23 12:11:01
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answered by Mike M. 5
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Yes, good question. Heaven and earth have a figurative meaning. Our heaven and earth is the way we understand reality. When there is a titanic shift in our individual or collective understanding, we can say there is a new heaven and earth since we cannot look at reality the same way ever again. The meaning of physical heaven and earth fades into insignificance when we consider spiritual reality.
If we look at all scripture of any religion with a spiritual instead of a literal eye, it makes sense as scriptures are of the sacred and address spiritual reality first and foremost, not physical reality. Physical reality is the realm of science.
2007-09-23 12:04:32
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answered by jaicee 6
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We only know this in hindsight, the same as dinosaurs. The bible was written for the human race on a need to know basis. The earth was the home humans would inhabit.
In the beginning God made the (heavens) and the earth. It doesn't say God made the earth and the heavens.
2007-09-23 12:10:57
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answered by Lukusmcain// 7
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hahaha. thats the Jesus Christ dude theyre saying the god in the bible, right? Well no offense, he was a good dude. He was one smart fella who realized god. therefore he isnt. Jesus is the enlightment of this planet. he suppose to enlight the stars. goddangit! Hey did you read the bible? How the heck should I not doubt it? i wasnt there! God suppose to have created us through his own image? Bull craP! ouT OF ALL this creation that science claimed we have out there., out of all, he picked to look like us? I dont believe it. Hey, I will always wonder what he is. the day i see what he looks like, and sees what he sees? is when I cease. Hes name is not even God. he is before anyone of us can ever think at all, how the heck is he called God. He is the one with no name, the one we dont know about. But---- I follow him. (you know, the one?) And you know what? amazing, everyday i feel the buggah is so close to me. And he is hillarious one too man.! once i thought i saw something i made a joke in my head saying " is that you? u look ugly?" you know what he said?he said " no way ,youre ugly!" I rolled. I had the giggles for so long, i thought i was gonna die from laughing in coz i had to keep that all in me and just express it out another way else. Coz i might get crucified! I Love the one! and oh yes---IT loves me!!!!
2007-09-23 12:26:27
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answer #7
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answered by quasar 2
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It was a misprint: "In the beginning, God created galaxys then heaven and earth".. this amendment has been made in the 2008 version of the bible on sale at xmas at your local stores.
2007-09-23 16:36:11
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answered by Anonymous
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Below are couple short pages from a book on subjects like this...
"There is an eternity of essence, that which is without first cause, and an eternity of time, that which has no beginning. When you will understand these subjects all will become clear. Know of a certainty that every visible thing has a cause. For instance, this table is made by a carpenter; its originator is the carpenter.
Therefore as such objects are not self created, they are not in the nature of things eternal; but need an auxiliary-transforming force, although in their essence they are very ancient in time; but their ancient and eternal existence is not due to the temporary form.
For instance, the world of elements cannot be annihilated, because pure existence cannot be annihilated; and what we observe are but transformative modifications in the composition of the essence. The combination of different elements has formed physical man; when the composition is destroyed the elements will return to their component parts. Complete annihilation cannot take place.
The universe has never had a beginning. From the point of view of essence it transforms itself. God is eternal in essence and in time. He is his own existence and cause. This is why the material world is eternal in essence, for the power of God is eternal.
A power is like a kingdom; it needs subjects and armies, for the constituents of a kingdom are rulers and subjects. The power of God is eternal and there have always been beings to manifest it; that is why we say that the worlds of God are infinite - there has never been a time when they did not exist. One can bring nothing forth from nothing, in the same way that which exists is never destroyed; the apparent annihilation is merely transmutation.
A mineral compared to us may be said to be non-existent, but in its own sphere it lives. When we die our bodies return to the mineral and vegetable world. This example shows the inter-relationship of the different kingdoms which is erroneously called annihilation.
All the wealth of contingencies is misery. If we know not the eternal, we are nothing, and as God is eternal, knowing God is a link to eternity. I pray you to reflect deeply upon this, that you may understand clearly. Many people think that creation is a manifestation of God, that the divine reality like unto the embryo in a seed, has come forth out of the seed and become a trunk, branches, leaves, flowers.
The prophets teach differently. Creation is an emanation from the creator. It is impossible that the eternal should become limited. A tree never becomes a creature: it never acquires sight nor smell; yet both are creations of God - creations in emanation.
Creation is like the sunlight; God is the sun. This light comes forth from the sun; that does not mean that the sun has become the light. The light emanates from the sun. Seek always to prove mysteries in the light of the rational mind. We must all become the light of this sun which is God; the light of the sun, the heat of the sun, the brilliancy of the sun, the bestowals of this sun.
There is a point on which the philosophers and the prophets differ. The philosophers make education the test of knowledge, holding that any man who receives sufficient education can attain a state of perfection. That is to say man possesses the potentiality for every kind of progress and education enables him to bring this into the court of objectivity.
The prophets say that something else is necessary. It is true that education transforms the desert into a rose garden, the virgin forest into an orchard, saplings into trees, and single flowers into double and treble flowers, but there is a fundamental difference in men. You may know ten children of one country, in the same school, under the same master, treated and fed in the same way. One of these children may make great progress, others may remain stationary. In the innate nature there are differences of memory, perception and intelligence. There is a superior, a middle and an inferior degree which corresponds to the difference in the fundamental estates of creation. While recognizing the influence of education we must also become acquainted with the innate disposition.
The prophets are sent to educate this innate quality in humanity. They are like gardeners who sow the grain which afterward springs up in a thousand forms of advancement. The prophets are therefore the first educators of the world, the head masters of the world. However much man may advance in material civilization, if he remain ignorant of the spiritual civilization, his soul is still defaced.
The prophets are sent to refresh the dead body of the world, to render the dumb, eloquent, to give peace to the troubled, to make illumined the indifferent and to set free from the material world all beings who are its captives. Leave a child to himself and he becomes ill-mannered and thoughtless. He must be shown the path, so that he may become acquainted with the world of the soul - the world of divine gifts.
Existence is like a tree, and man is the fruit. If the fruit be sweet and agreeable, all is well, but if it be bitter it were far better there were none. Every man who has known the celestial bestowals is verily a treasury; if he remain ignorant of them, his non-existence were better than his existence. The tree which does not bring forth fruit is fit only for the fire. Strive night and day to change men into fruitful trees, virgin forests into divine orchards and deserts into rose gardens of significance. Light these lamps, that the dark world may become illumined."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 104)
2007-09-23 12:51:24
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answered by Gravitar or not... 5
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Science, which is to say, man, is wrong. Can you state one instance when God was wrong? I know I can detail many instances in where man has been. It has been reported and proven that man has "miscalculated" the time span of materials and/or minerals and certainly space. Isn't that what it is, a calculated ( albeit prone to error) estimate?
Remember, man IS prone to error. God is not.
2007-09-23 12:18:34
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answered by Ed 1
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