why does the military use JUDO over Wrestling?

Question

i have spoken to 5 different military instructors and they said that it is "proven" more effective than wrestling?
i asked them you dont wear gis. and they said that soilders were uniforms, coats, sweaters, and that the throw a lot without them.
so why does the military use judo over wrestling? like how is there a big difference?

Answer 1

I have had the honor of teaching military men over the years and found the development of the combat mindset and the study of the art of war was the most important.

the fighting method comprised of fighting techniques with rifle and bayonet, bladed weapons, weapons of opportunity (stick, club, gun), and unarmed combat; combative conditioning -- the ability to fight while fatigued in a combat environment; and combat sports -- boxing, wrestling, BJJ , Judo and bayonet fighting.ect

However interestingly the Marine Corps LINE system has evolved into MCMAP. All U.S. Marines must learn and become proficient in.

The Marine Corps Martial Arts Program, implemented in October 2000, is a natural extension of these basic tenets. Although it is a skill progression program offering martial arts training through a system of belt rankings, from tan belt through 6th degree black belt, it is much, much more. It is a reflection of our warrior ethos that provides a vehicle for enhaced unit cohesion and increased self-worth.

Like marksmenship training, this program provides our Marines with additional tools that they can use on the battlefield. It will require a consistent individual investment of time to develop and master the skills. The benfits of improved self-esteem, mental discipline, and personal pride are worthy of the investment and provide substantial returns for our Corps. To realize these benefits, we must embrace the concept as well as the training. We must incoporate it in the daily lives of our Marines, much as we currently do with physical training. We must make it readily availiable to them as we do our Semper Fit Programs. A Marine should be able to train during his lunch hour, after work, or on the weekends. We must assimilate this training until it is second nature and as much apart of our ethos as sit-ups, pull-ups, and a 3-mile run. To further instituionlize the program and promote a career long commitment to maintaining proficiency, we are exploring the possibility and viability of linking it to the performance evaluation system and promotions.

Purpose & Goal
The immediate goal of MCMAP is to have all Marines, both active and reserve, trained to tan belt by the end of FY-03. The long term goal is to have every infantryman, grade appropriate, trained to brown belt, other combat arms trained to green belt, and all other Marines trained to gray belt by the end of FY-04.

Purpose & Goal
The following disciplines are taught in MCMAP:

A. PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE - Development of fighting techniques and battlefield fitness.

1) PHYSICAL SKILLS
Instruction in fighting techniques including: battle skill orientation; stance; posture; movement; weapons handling and function; striking; cutting; grappling; restraints and manipulations; and integration of weapons.

2) COMBATIVE FITNESS
Battlefield orientated conditioning in a simulated combat environment. Techniques include: moving on rough ground; approach, close and engage an opponent; and fighting while fatigued.

B. MENTAL DISCIPLINE - Development of the combat mindset and the study of the art of war. Ares include:

1) WARRIOR CASE STUDIES
Guided discussions using combat citations with a battlefield close-in fighting perspective. Designed to give the Marine the ability to compare and contrast aspects of warrior cultures with his own experience in the Corps.

2) MARTIAL CULTURE STUDIES
Guided discussions highlighting societies whose primary intent was creating, developing, training, and sustaining warriors. For example, the Spartans, the Zulu, the Apache, and the Marine Raiders.

3) COMBATIVE BEHAVIOR
The study of the psychological aspects of combat. Topics include: predatory vs. affective behavior, origins of violence, and human dimensions of combat.

C. CHARACTER DISCIPLINE - The Marine Corps valuesof honor, courage, and committment. These are the cornerstone of character discipline. Guided discussion integrating the principles of values, ethics, integrityy, and leadership. Topics include: conflict resolution, seeking and accepting responsibility, and teamwork based approaches to all aspects of Marine Corps life. Character discipline stresses the importance of the Marine's place as a warrior on the battlefield, as well as, a functional member in society.

* All techniques taught in MCMAP are fault checked for safety by the Armed Forces medical examiner. Operational Rick Management (ORM) is incorporated, and is a continuous process that applies at all levels of MCMAP.*


Descriptions of Different Achievement Levels:
DESCRIPTION OF BELT LEVELS. MCMAP Belt levels incorporate a building block approach, progressively increasing the difficulty of the techniques while advancing the skill proficiency and leadership of the individual Marine. Tan belt through green belt emphasize individual combat techniques both unarmed and armed, and concentrate on building character and developing leadership skills. Brown belt through black black emphasize combat techniques against mulitple opponents both unarmed and armed, strengthens character, and expands and reinforces leadership skills.

A. TAN BELT - Basic fundamentals of the mental, physical, and character disciplines; conducted during entry level training. Character and knowledge required of basically trained Marines. Minimum requirement for all Marines: maintained and checked during annual common skills training. Total of 27.5 hours of training.

Prerequisites: None.

B. GRAY BELT - Introduction to intermediate fundamentals of each discipline. Total of 46.0 hours of training.

Prerequisites: Recommendation of reporting senior and completion of MCI 03.3- Fundamentals of Marine Corps Leadership.

C. GREEN BELT - Intermediate fundamentals of each discipline; a current martial arts instructor (MAI (green belt)) may teach tan belt through green belt techniques, and award the appropriate belt. Any certified green belt may assist a MAI or Martial Arts Instructor Trainer (MAIT). Total of 54.9 hours of training.

Prerequisites: Recommendation of reporting senior, LCPL or above, and appropriate level PME complete

D. BROWN BELT- Introduction to advance fundmentals of each discipline. A current MAI (brown belt) may teach tan belt through green belt and wards the appropriate belts. Any certified brown belt may assist a MAI or MAIT, and may teach tan through green belt techniques. Total of 64.9 hours of training.

PREREQUISITES: Recommendation of reporting senior, Cpl or above, (the CG TrngCom (C472) may waive the grade requirement for exceptionally qualified Lance Coroporals who posses superior leadership skill and maturity, and hold a black belt in an approved civilian martial art), appropriate level PME completed.

E. BLACK BELT 1ST DEGREE - Advanced fundmentals. A current MAI (1st degree black belt) may teach tan through brown belt and award the appropriate belts. Any certified 1st degree black belt may teach tan through brown belt techniques. Current MAITs are authorized to teach and certify tan belt through black belt 1st degree. Total of 71.5 hours of training.

PREREQUISITES: Sgt or above, recommendation of reporting senior, and appropriate level of PME complete.

F. BLACK BELT 2ND TO 6TH DEGREES - Authority in MCMAP. A 2nd to 6th degree black belt may teach tan through black belt techniques (degree dependant).

PREREQUISITES: Recommendation of repoting senior, appropriate level of PME complete, and be a current MAIT.

RANK REQUIREMENTS:
1) 2ND DEGREE BLACK BELT: Sgt or above
2) 3RD DEGREE BLACK BELT: SSgt or above
3) 4TH DEGREE BLACK BELT: GySgt/Major or above
4) 5TH DEGREE BLACK BELT: MSgt and 1st Sgt/Major or above (Waiverable one grade by CG TrngCom - Fully justified)
5) 6TH DEGREE BLACK BELT: MGySgt ans Sgt Maj/LtCol or above (Waiverable one grade by CG TrngCom - Fully justified)

Answer 2

I suspect that wrestling is much to general in nature and also does not typically include things like chokes, or strangle holds like Judo does. Not only that but it's effectiveness is much more established and and recognized by many non practitioners who actually have the final say in the training of the military. Judo by its rank system, established standard techniques, and its exposure through the Olympics and in AAU competition has a big edge over just "Wrestling" . This is all evolving as we speak as I saw a head line of an article in the Navy times last month, I think, that the Marine Corps had decided to scrap their hand-to-hand, mixed martial arts combat training program but I did not get a chance to buy it so who knows what that is all about.

Answer 3

Army Judo

Answer 4

Being a Marine and a judoka let me weigh in here. The posts above were right on about the chokes and throws. The throws are especially effective because your fist will never hit as hard as the concrete that you can forcefully propel your opponents head into. If he's still conscious from that judo is a sport but is much more "combatives" oriented... Break an arm, choke him till he stops wiggling. I know wrestlers that can take a judoka on the mat, but what are you going to do an "enemy" if you only submit him? Stand up and say good match?

Answer 5

Russian Spetsnaz special forces uses mixed art called "System" It has a lot of Aikido elements with some Judo and other forms. But I think in military combat you need to disarm your opponent as quick asp. And Judo is a quicker way to do it compare to wrestling

Answer 6

I don't know, maybe because Wrestling is so sports-specific in America, while Judo also is viewed as a martial art. So I think it's a matter of view rather than quality of the style. Both are quite effective in my experience.

Answer 7

The main advantages of judo are that is has submissions and chokes which wrestling does not.
Also a lot of their moves and submissions use clothes to apply them.Collar chokes etc.

However it depends what countries miltary. Quite a few prefer wrestling and some use neither.

Answer 8

i see your point and in my opinion both are very viable fighting methods. i think the problem is that here in america we teach wrestling as a watered down scholastic sport and not as a martial art. as used in high scool and collegiate competition few submissions are allowed, grinding the teeth from wrestling's combat usefulness. no one will ever win a fight simply by pinning them, something must follow it. this is where mma wrestlers have supplemented their game with submissions and striking with much success. judo was introduced after wwII and was seen as the mystical fighting secret from the orient. as a sport it allows chokes and other submissions retaining the combative tools american wrestling has given up. the throws utilized by judo suit the battlefield better than leg shots or striking because of the equipment worn by soldiers and the tactical needs of the soldier-put the enemy down with as little danger to yourself as possible, and keep moving to the next enemy combatant. having said this, soldiers like any martial artist benefit from well roundedness and the current programs used by the marines incorporates muay thai, jiu jitsu and wrestling to its combat judo. the army has incorporated gracie jiujitsu, but the new emphasis on ground fighting may prove questionable.

Answer 9

Because it's easier to kill someone with a knife or gun when they aren't wrapped around you with a full nelson. Judo gets them just far away enough and a judo strike can silence someone quickly. Wrestling just makes noise and lets the bad guy too close to your vitals.

Answer 10

its not that wrestling isnt good for self defense it just has to with the fact that judo is better. When i say it is better wrestling is mostly pins and take downs. judo there are crazy large throws armlocks chokes etc. i mean would you rather pin someone or choke them in a life death situation

Answer 11

The reality is martial arts for self defense and martial arts for contests are two separate things Judo is about defending yourself and taking your enemy out of commision quickly where as wrestling is more about defeating your opponent by being able to take him to the ground and keep him down or making him submit. One is about defending yourself the other is about defeating your opponent within the rules of the game.