why are people so against it? I I don't know, people complain about the dream act because it would give good illegal students a chance to be legalized, and therefore have a chance to get financial aid. People who are against it say that why should they get money if there are Americans that can't afford college?, well these Americans can also apply for a scholarship or financial aid. And if you didn't get neither you should really rethink why you didn't, maybe because you didn't get good grades? have you thought about it?, maybe you're not worth financial aid? maybe your GPA wasn't good enough? illegals had nothing to do with the fact that you are academically incompetent. srry if i offended anyone, I'm sure I did but it pisses me off when i hear stories about illegals that have 3.0 GPA's or higher and grew up here in the U.S because their parents brought them when they were minors and had no other choice but to come are being denied an opportunity to study.
2007-09-22 21:01:32 · 15 answers · asked by Elliot G 1 in Politics & Government ➔ Immigration
So the ones that are against the Dream Act, would you prefer that these kids just not go to school? Many of you complain about illegals being criminals and "parasites" (the list could go on) but if they want to do something positive like get an education, you're not for it either? Doesn't make a lot of sense... Ok, so yes, it is clear, they are illegal, but they're not criminals...They're educating themselves and in doing so they're improving our society by becoming productive members of the society. Many of these kids have been here since they were young... The US is their home.... so why not give them this opportunity...And for those of you that say they should go back to "their" country... like I said, this is their home....
2007-09-23 19:32:02 · answer #1 · answered by bubbly toes 1 · 9⤊ 5⤋
You do understand that the size of the financial aid pot is limited so the more people that compete for it, the less likely any one person will get it, and that with 'diversity preferences' and untraceable income (more common with illegal immigrant parents than with legally present parents) the current structure of all of our programs would put those who crossed illegally not just on an equal playing field to compete for funds, but in front of our own children for already insufficient funds and University seats?
I could actually support a dream act with a 25 year old age cap and NO WAIVERS such as this has to let all the world including gang members, convicted criminals and their parents who came illegally in, but this is not it.
2007-09-23 11:06:11 · answer #2 · answered by DAR 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
your GPA doesn't have to do anything with financial aid...
“…only students with good grades
get financial aid.”
Reality: While a high grade point average
will help a student get into a good school
and may help with academic scholarships,
most of the federal student aid programs do
not take a student’s grades into consideration.
Provided a student maintains satisfactory
academic progress in his or her program
of study, federal student aid will help a student
with an average academic record complete
his or her education.
So just because I'm American (Mexican American) I should not get financial aid cause i screwed up my junior year in high school. (due to depression) which gave me a 2.8 GPA when i graduated I did just fine on my other grades. I'm not incompenent because i didnt got a 3.0 gpa.
My family is hispanic (resident and some citizen) we pay taxes, we never recieved anything from the goverment not medicaid nor food stamps, until i got financial aid this year to pay college. And it ticks me of cause many illegal people i know recieved aid and my family never actually did wether we needed it or not. And now you write because I didn't got a 3.0 GPA i shouldn't get financial aid? I think that legal citizen should have all the right to financial aid first, and what's left for you. Because I believe that people should have the right to higher education.
2007-09-23 04:50:06 · answer #3 · answered by Mariah 2 · 6⤊ 3⤋
For me, this issue bothers me because who cares what your GPA was? Just because you didn't or couldn't do better in high school, it shouldn't be the complete reason for being denied the CHANCE at a college degree. Why should someone else, from a different country, have a better chance at it than a "true" citizen?
As for the ones who were given no choice in coming here? I agree with you on this one-to a point. I am not one for looking at ANY child and hating or blaming him/her for the situations they are thrown into sometimes. Their PARENTS make their choices FOR them, so they really can not BE blamed. So, I think if they can provide SOME sort of documented proof that they have been here since they were a young child and are an active and quality contributor to American society, they should be granted citizenship. And then, like everyone else in America, they can APPLY for financial aid and grants and loans.
Their parents, however, should NOT be extended the same courtesy.
2007-09-23 04:34:58 · answer #4 · answered by notgrannysmith 3 · 5⤊ 4⤋
Dream act just a other amnesty which will lead to more amnesty & selling out of the citizens & USA> How about the give a way> Dem's>Give some to the working class citizens so we can sent our children to collage> Since were the 1s paying for the giveways you so much want>Just once help the USA & it's citizens us not
2007-09-23 10:31:02 · answer #5 · answered by 45 auto 7 · 5⤊ 3⤋
Honestly I have to check into it more.Some have said there's a clause concerning age of those who qualify.I seriously don't think a 30 year old should qualify if that is indeed true.So I guess I'm neither for nor against until I check more.
2007-09-23 04:11:21 · answer #6 · answered by Dog Tricks 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Sigh, another uninformed rant on something someone knows nothing about. Here let me educate you, that IS what you want after all.
First of all let's start with financial aid, this breaks down into 3 categories, grants, loans and work study.
Loans are easy to explain they are typically funds given by the bank and guaranteed by the government if for some reason the student fails to repay the loan the government covers it and then garnishes the persons wages and tax returns until the debt is paid. But in the case of an illegal who fails and who isn't able to achieve a degree the government has no way to collect the money, as the illegal will slip right back into the shadows.
Grants are also easy to understandd, every year a certain number of grants are given out to the poorest students then there are a certain number of partial grants for students who aren't as poor, this is done until there is no money left. GPA doesn't matter, all that matters is the income of the students family. Of course the illegal population will claim no income or as little income as they can get away with and any money made under the table will go unreported, so in escense the illegal will be taking money away from poor families who have reported whatever meager incomes they have.
Finally there is work study, now this is a little different, the number of work study positions is determined by how many students each school has, it also takes into consideration how many of them recieve financial aid. Work study is pretty much the same as any job, except you have to qualify for the program in order to get the job. The catch to this came early on, as each school only has a limited number of work study students, and who is given the work study positions? Why the poorest students of course, so the same rules that apply to grants also apply here, GPA doesn't matter only imcome and American families that are law abiding citizens are again at a disadvantage for being honest.
If illegals want a college education they can go back to wherever they came from and make their own governments pay for it. It is not the responsibility of our government to pay for the children of criminals who do nothing but leach off of honest taxpayers.
2007-09-23 06:41:28 · answer #7 · answered by Drixnot 7 · 9⤊ 7⤋
Some people use there head to solve problems. Others "feel" there way through the problem solving solution. You,are a "feeler". It has been said that you cannot argue about a feeling because, well, it is a feeling. A person feels what they feel. So, when you decide to post a question based on fact. I will be happy to agree or disagree, whatever the case may be.
2007-09-23 04:26:54 · answer #8 · answered by TLB 5 · 3⤊ 3⤋
Yes it's about all that and more. Most in this country are against amnesty in any form, mainly because all amnesty does is invite more demands for more amnesty
2007-09-23 11:43:47 · answer #9 · answered by jean 7 · 3⤊ 3⤋
Dream Act? Dream On.
A) If you are illegal, you shouldn't be here. B) If you are still here illegally anyway, you shouldn't go to college here unless you pay for it out of pocket (not on american scholarship, loan or grant.)
And as far as citizenship--get out, and then get it legally....without amnesty, without jumping to the head of the line, etc.
If you think you deserve special consideration based on how you got here, get it from those who caused you to be in this situaiton to begin with--your mom and dad, not the american taxpaying public.
2007-09-23 17:38:57 · answer #10 · answered by Dirty Martini 6 · 6⤊ 7⤋