atheists and christians, what do you think about this statement?

Question

Belief has to be taken on its face and the atheist logic says "there is a correct and incorrect" so if they are right, we are wrong.

An atheist can only hold onto his views if they throw real truth out the window. And the real truth is "we don't know" so if we have to throw "we don't know" out of the window that only leaves "we know" so the atheist and believer both know "something" but that something is that God does, or does not exsist. For either side can think to themselves "Why can't they see it? it is so simple!"

They can't see why we can believe in a God, and we can't see how they cannot believe in a God, but unfortunatly when it comes to this the best we say is that both sides are relative to each other because neither one can accept the real truth in order to be correct.

Answer 1

That sounds like man's wisdom (logic) which is foolishness to God. As Christians, it is not our job to convert atheists. Our job is to speak the truth (the Word of God) and they can decide for themselves wheather to follow the truth or follow a deception.

Answer 2

I think it is the sort of muddled irrational thinking that believers tend to present.

I apologise for this answer being long and convoluted, but stick with me, please. I'd like it to be shorter, but it is late and I'm tired.

Looking at what your statement actually says (which does not mean that I accept that what you say is true - that is another argument)....

"An atheist can only hold onto his views if they throw real truth out the window."

Eh? You then say that the real truth is that "we don't know".

If that is so, then how can either side know something other than that "we don't know"? Either side might believe something, but by the statement of truth given by you that "we don't know", then neither side can know either that a god does or does not exist. You have excluded any other knowledge about this.

Now that is fine for you, as a believer, because you will take something on faith. You don't know, but you believe.

An atheist does not have a faith and does not say that he/she believes god does not exist, he/she says that I do not believe that god exists. That is, he/she does not actively hold a belief that god exists. Just like I, and I suspect you, do not have a belief that the Tooth Fairy exists.

You also say..."but unfortunatly when it comes to this the best we say is that both sides are relative to each other because neither one can accept the real truth in order to be correct."

So, you are saying that neither side (which must include you) can accept the real truth. You said, remember, that the real truth is that "we don't know". So now, you are saying as a believer that you cannot accept the real truth which you have personally defined as "we don't know". You cannot accept your own statement of the truth!!??


You see if you do think that your statement of the truth that "we don't know" is accurate (if you don't, then why did you post this question?), then you are really quite close to the atheist position where "we do not know" is quite a good argument for not taking on a belief. An atheist wants good evidence for the existence of a god that can be tested and be seen to help demonstrate the factual existence of a god. An atheist wants to know that something is true before believing. So an atheist does accept that "we don't know", and because an atheist does not have knowledge of a god's existence, an atheist does not believe.

I accept that some atheists may say that they know a god does not exist, but most of those that I have seen on here comment that there is no very good evidence of a god. For this reason they say that they do not believe.

You have to realise that you have set the terms of this debate, and even within that you have not been consistent and followed the logic of your own argument.

Now, what you have said may not be what you meant to say, but as it stands I would like to thank you for helping the atheist argument. It is the sort of mistaken argument like you have used here that makes it so difficult for atheists to take believers seriously.

If any of my points are logically incorrect, please point them out. But otherwise, thanks. You've been a lot of fun.

Answer 3

ok let me think out loudly, first there are three statements : i know god exists, i know god does not exists, i do not know if god exists.
next, one is thrown away because logic dictates that one of the statements can not be right.( huh ?)
what remains are two opposite statements
i know god exists and i know god does not exist.

Next you are proposing as a solution to this that neither one can accept the real truth. Doesnt that imply that both are wrong and that the former logic argument that threw away the statement "i dont know if god exists" was not correct and that the one that was thrown away was correct ?
are you looking to find a middle point position between the two extremities ?
I belief that it is a fact that either god exist, or god does not exist. there is no middle position.

only we will never know , even if there is an afterlife , we still dont know , because we could be dead for billions of years , we dont know we never might know, so it is not only "i dont know if god exist", but it is even worse ( more uncertain ) i will never know if I ever know if god exist or does not exist, note that this is not the same as simply sayin 'i dont know if god exists'

Answer 4

I do see where you are coming from. It could be true in what you are saying that neither one can accept the real truth in order to be correct. I believe that both sides are correct. Everyone has their own believes and everyone of them are correct. If people who believe in God cannot see that atheists have their own beliefs then they are not truly faithful to God. Everyone is correct in their own beliefs because everyone of them stands out for what they are.

Answer 5

We as humans understand that educated guesses are the best we can do. All atheists understand that there is a limit to the level of confidence we can have in any truth. This is a mere technicality.

For all practical purposes, atheism is absolutely certain to be a correct worldview.

Please see the FSM for more details.

Answer 6

You say “neither one can accept the real truth in order to be correct.” There is only one real truth. Atheist say that the real truth is “No God,” Christians say the real truth “Is God,” but you say neither one can accept the real truth, so you are insinuating that there is something in-between that is the real truth. So what are you saying, “There is a half god?” Your words are not logical. †

Answer 7

purely via fact there would desire to be a reason for an effect, would not at once propose God fills that reason... Why is God continuously the default rationalization for the reason and effect argument? can not we expect of of something else? Why are Christians settling for victory through default? Sorry to respond to a query with some extra questions, yet you get my element.

Answer 8

It's possible for both Atheists and Christians to be wrong - the Jews might be right

No thank you for equating Christains to anyone that believes in God.

Answer 9

"Agnostics are not willing to either admit God or reject God without evidence.
Christians believe that there is a God.
Atheists believe that there is no God."

Wrong!
Atheists do not believe in gods. They do not "believe there is no god" they do not believe there is one. Atheism is a lack of belief not a belief in nothing.
Agnostics are atheists. They do not believe in gods either but they qualify their non-belief by saying it is impossible to know whether gods exist or not.

Answer 10

Um, atheist here, and I don't claim to know that god doesn't exist. I just don't believe in him. It's called "weak atheism" or something, but I don't bother too much with labels. Anyway, you can't know that god does or doesn't exist, its impossible (as you say) but that doesn't make atheism invalid in anyway. Neither side knows, we just have our own opinions.