Gutless Comunity police?

Question

Why did they not attend the inquest. They were witnesses. Yet another way to protect them??. As I understand a witness have to be called.. I wonder how Manchester Police stopped that. Yes they acted right they stood by and called in. Wow what a neat and clever thing to do. I am trained in C.P.R.. Would I use it on them.. Of course I would..But then I am a Real Superman..I prefer to be called a human being.There is no excuse for not even getting in the water and at least trying. If you try and dont suceed you have at least tried.My feelings go out to his mother. To loose a child is one thing but this way???

Answer 1

What a surprise to see stephen p slagging off the police!

Are you on tag?....probally.

The child had dissapearead under water before the Pcso`s arrived and the informant gave the incorrect location.The water has visibility of about 2ft and is the size of a football pitch, the likelyhood is the boy was dead before the Pcso`s got there.
I suggest you do your homework before getting emotional on a website that is likely to be read by the family of this child.

For your information, Greater manchester police stopped giving life saving lessons at the police training center about 5 years ago because the government do not feel it necassary, There is every chance that you will only end up with further casualties.
You sound like a passionate sort of person who is interested in local issues, I suggest you step up to the mark and join up!
Maybe then you will see both sides of the story before shooting your mouth off.

Answer 2

I agree that community officers should have attended the inquest and given evidence and I agree that it's policing on the cheap. However, reports tonight made it clear - as opposed to the usual tabloid sensationalist headlines - that they did NOT stand by and watch a boy drown. They could see no sign of him, so didn't go in the water. I've done water safety training and one thing that is stressed is that entering the water is only ever done as a last resort - better to find some way of helping the person in trouble out of the water without getting in, too, and risking being drowned. Since the two men couldn't even see the boy, they would have been foolish to go in and try to search in unknown waters.

Answer 3

Difficult one really, I am not a parent even at my middle age 37 ( so most women think of me as less than human, someone not of the human race who is incapable of answering on such matters) I have been in a couple of situations myself being first aider that I would never of dreamt of when I took my course years ago... dirty, mucky dangerous etc with no one else who was trained to help me and it is scary ....your heart races..you wonder what to do for the best etc .
I have to say with the evidence presented ie we have been told that the boy was no where to be seen when they arrived and the pit was very large... where do you start. It was a quarry before and there could have been all manner of danagerous things under the surface.. and they were told by their control not to enter anyway (they may have faced proceedings against them at work if they had been injured or the situation made worst) ..your mind is racing what do you do ?
I would have waited for some form of back up from other services as well
Why make rules for employees and then ask them to break them when it suits ?
Comments by one MP said that "we should have thrown the rule book away in this case" would he have been so keen to say this if others had died ie/ untrained officers or is he just saying this because it is a unfortunate accident and he wants to shift blame from the goverment who made the rules in the first place ?.......
My question is where were the parents?, if the little girl did not have much water sense as it appears she did not why was she allowed to play here by her parents.....(on the other hand being a child of the seventies I played out all the time on the fields near where I lived so I do not advocate keeping child in on computer games etc... just a little teaching maybe)

We seem to be such a "blame culture" everything is someone's fault...people can no longer have accidents in this cotton wool world. Would we even be discussing this if the media had not brought it into our living rooms ? ... look back 100 years, 70years etc to wars and disease and a child or adult that died would have hardly been discussed.

We seem to live in a world where we feel it is almost unatural for children to die... even in sad accidents

Answer 4

As they say Police on the cheap. Unfortunately if they had helped they may have lost their job. You must understand they are not there to deal with things they are not trained for. If you know about the real life general public they would have had a lawyer with in hours telling them to take the so called gutless cpos to court. Think about it they may well feel worse than you are angry. It's all red tape and health and safety in their job and remember they are human with feelings and not robots. I forget the details but what were the kids up to.

Answer 5

The young boy was nowhere to be seen and the pond was the size of a football pitch.

The talk about them not going in because they were not trained is nonsense. I am a police officer and I am not trained in lifesaving like most of my colleagues. Its not a case of being trained or not, but more of a case of doing your best.....yes, as a human being.

I, like all the people on here and the journalist's reporting, were not there. It would be wrong to cast judgement based on a few lines in a newspaper.

As for whether they should have been witnesses... I do not know.

Answer 6

As I understand it the child was already dead. These people are just cheap labour, the government trying to fool us in to thinking they stop crime, they have no more powers than an ordinary citizen. The question must arise as to why the parents allowed two children near a lake unsupervised. That does not excuse anybody failing to help in such an awful situation. The Police are adept at excusing the behaviour of their employees.

Answer 7

Some pathetic ill-informed comments here. The boy was already out of sight under water when the support officers, (not police officers) arrived. He was not struggling about on the surface.
We weren't there, so me/you don't know anything about the exact circumstances only what you are conveniently told. When a Police officer attend he did remove his equipment and enter the water.

Answer 8

Police are not paid well at all. Some are lucky to make $13 dollars an hour. TMPA and CLET can only do so much. The community needs to pay police more, or expect to get what you pay for.
How can you expect them to take care of you when they can barely take care of their family?

Answer 9

If you truly are a"real superman" why didn't you dive in after the people then.

The personal judgements made at the time are down to individuals, the official line is not to jump in after them because you are only adding to the casualties.

The PCSO have a hard job with no real power and and unliked and unwanted by the police officers them selves, perhaps those with who criticise should "step up".

Answer 10

Manchester police stopped them from attending the inquest to keep their image. No way would they want these coppers embarrasing them.

And what disgusted me, was the police SUPPORTED the police officers, by saying they were right not to jump in, as they have no training to do so...So be a HERO and save them. They can swim I'm sure? This country has gone down the pan, Mr Brown, you have a task on your hands...