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Some of my friends, including me, have been refused baptism,
because of our sexuality!
I believe God/Jesus loves all his children, no matter who or what they are.

2007-09-21 18:13:03 · 22 answers · asked by ? 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Thanks to all of you - boy oh boy, what a mixed bag of emotions.

Thank you to those of you who try to understand und show compassion.

To the rest - please don't through the Bible at me, it's heavy and it hurts.
I have the bruises to prove it.

2007-09-22 03:58:38 · update #1

22 answers

Because they are scared of you. They won't admit this though. They fail to recognize that according to their God, everyone sins. They'll probably baptize an unwed mother, but not you. They'll tell you that it's because you currently sin, ignoring the fact that half the married couples in their church are unfaithful.

Walk away, shake the dust from your shoes and find people who follow Jesus rather than the lawyers and hypocrites that Jesus warned against.

2007-09-21 18:26:01 · answer #1 · answered by Deirdre H 7 · 4 6

Your understanding of God's love needs to be tempered by a proper understanding of his wrath, which can still send sinners to hell.

Baptism would have little or no practical value for those who were firmly committed to "living in sin" with a like minded partner ... whether gay or straight.

Baptism would be practical for those who do not cohabit, and who firmly intend to change their ways, and live a truly Christian existence.

Straight folks can always get married to resolve most of these issues, but gays have a big problem, because there's absolutely no type of licit sexual activity available to them.

2007-09-21 19:18:45 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

I don't believe that homosexuality is in God's will. But you know they are letting homosexuals preach in some Presbyterian churches some way off base baptist churches try getting baptized in one of those churches.. Yes I do believe that Jesus loves you just the same as He loves me or anyone else in fact I know He does! The bible tells us what is right and what is wrong but we all will have to face God one day for our own sins. It is not my business what your doing in your life.... I have enough problems of my own God Bless You Brother I hope you find someone to do the deed! lol


That is not to say that I do not pray for you to find the truth, just that I try not to judge even though it is wrong

2007-09-21 18:23:51 · answer #3 · answered by LILBITOFKY 3 · 4 1

God does love everyone, but why would anyone allow you to be Baptized when you are living in Sin and are making no efforts to end that Sin.

2007-09-21 18:43:29 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Only a polluted and corrupted church would baptize those who refuse to keep God's commandments. The scriptures teach that you must REPENT and be baptized. The scriptures repeatedly condemn homosexuality, adultery, fornication and a variety of other sins.

Jesus loves the sinner, not the sin. He shows us His love by dying on the cross so that we have the CHANCE to repent and be saved. Jesus came to save us FROM our sins, not IN our sins. No unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven and practicing unrepentent homosexuals are unclean, just as practicing unrepentent adulterers are unclean. Jesus shows us His love when He WARNS us about our sins and tells us to REPENT before it is too late, and our fate is sealed. Jesus warned many of their sins, and what did they do for His love? They crucified Him for it!

1 Cor. 6: 9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Would you criticize a church for not baptizing an extortioner? A child molestor? A rapist? A fornicator?

God's love and grace is conditional. It hinges on our willingness to accept His commandments and coming to Him on HIS terms, not ours. How can we say we accept Jesus and believe in God if we are not willing to obey His commandments? If we disobey then we are not His followers, and not worthy for His kingdom. That applies every bit to you as it does me. If I fail to repent of my own sins I too will be excluded from heaven. I wish it were easier, but it is not. I am not going to cheat your soul by deluding you with lies and coddling you in your sins.

The Kingdom of God is not some sort of Barney-esque "I love you, you love me" circus. Would you feel comfortable in heaven abiding with child molestors, bank robbers, murderers? Think about it.

2007-09-21 18:48:30 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Maybe they detect a lack of sincere repentance. Do you know what that word actually means? Look it up if not. When one repents of a sin, s/he does it no more.

Let me ask you this - if you had to make a choice between being saved into eternal life which means giving up your gay lifestyle, or continuing in your sinful gay lifestyle and remaining eternally lost, WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE?

I ask this because THAT IS EXACTLY THE CHOICE THAT YOU MUST MAKE.

There is no such thing as a saved, actively practicing gay person. SAVED MEANS BEING BORN AGAIN. It means I give up all my sordid, filthy habits in order to please my Lord and Savior.

Oh the feelings and attractions will linger for awhile - BUT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER YOUR BEHAVIOR. AND YOU MUST QUIT THIS SORDID LIFESTYLE. IT GLORIFIES NEITHER GOD NOR YOURSELF.

So now think about this - ARE YOU SAVED?

2007-09-21 18:30:25 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 3 2

The Metropolitan Community Church is one (large) example of a Christian church which welcomes gay and lesbian people. There are many others, and of course non Christian religious communities too.

"At MCC, we are tearing down walls and building up hope in some places where no other religious or charitable organizations are willing to go. In fact, in some places, we are tearing down the walls that religious organizations have created.

Reverend Elder Troy Perry, our Founding Moderator, created the ministry and movement we call MCC when he invited twelve gay men to worship in his home in 1968 and reassured them that God loved them. Thirty-eight years later, those twelve have become more than 86,000 people per month who visit our web site and almost 20,000 who give tithes to our ministry and attend a worship gathering each week. Like the first twelve disciples, MCCers are hitting the streets in 24 countries, stopping outside the gate to minister to the oppressed, doing justice and telling the Good News of Jesus to those who feel that there is no Good News."

2007-09-21 18:26:02 · answer #7 · answered by SC 5 · 4 3

Best you do some serious Bible reading. Sin still is sin! You refuse th turn away from your sin and want babtism? You know that salvation comes first! Aren't you aware YET that a lot of BAPTIZED sinners are still lost in sin? We all have to come the same way, you don't get any exemptions. So quit trying.

2007-09-21 18:25:59 · answer #8 · answered by hamoh10 5 · 3 3

Hang on the guy who baptized Alexander Hamilton said something good about this. This was written by an Episcopalian minister on the day of Hamilton's death. The minister was relucant to give communion to Hamilton because of dulling (sinful), but you can compare it to being hesitant to baptize someone who is homosexual (sexually immoral):

I observed to him, that he must be very sensible of the delicate and trying situation in which to I was then placed; that however desirous I might be to afford consolation to a fellow mortal in distress; still, it was my duty as a minister of the gospel, to hold up the law of God as paramount to all other law; and that, therefore, under the influence of such sentiments, I must unequivocally condemn the practice which had brought him to his present unhappy condition. He acknowledged the propriety of these sentiments, and declared that he viewed the late transaction with sorrow and contrition. I then asked him, “Should it please God, to restore you to health, Sir, will you never be again engaged in a similar transaction? and will you employ all your influence in society to discountenance this barbarous custom?” His answer was, “That, Sir, is my deliberate intention.”

I proceeded to converse with him on the subject of his receiving the Communion; and told him that with respect to the qualifications of those who wished to become partakers of that holy ordinance, my inquires could not be made in language more expressive than that which was used by our Church. “Do you sincerely repent of your sins past? Have you a lively faith in God’s mercy through Christ, with a thankful remembrance of the death of Christ? And are you disposed to live in love and charity with all men?” He lifted his hands and said, “With the utmost sincerity of heart I can answer those questions in the affirmative

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So if you be willing to renounce homosexuality, just as we should renounce all sin, and profess to have faith in Christ and the desire to be led by the Holy Spirit, I would baptize you. But if you do not do this, and say, "I am a Christian so I can be a homosexual", then I would not baptize you. We cannot use our salvation, or the love of Christ, as an excuse to sin.

2007-09-21 18:34:14 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 3 2

Because if you were truly saved, and in Christ, you would renounce Homosexuality, instead you try to find or fabricate loop holes in the scriptures to give you justification to,live that lifestyle that is clearly condemned in the Bible, You cannot have it both ways, you cannot be a 'Gay Christian" it is a contradiction in term.

Now if you are offended by that, then I am truly sorry, but the facts are the facts, you cannot change them because you don't like them.

I would say that a person who has professed Christ and is struggling against sin is demonstrating evidence of regeneration. Remember, many people who become Christians still struggle with many of their old sins. Even Paul struggled, "For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish," (Rom. 7:19). We are not perfect and we must remember to be gracious to others, especially when they are stuck in an old sin, want to repent of it, and are trying to have victory over it. This is when grace is need, not law. But, of course, we are never to encourage or excuse a person's sin. We must pray for them to attain full victory.
Now, some Christians will state that once you become saved, you should automatically have victory over all your sins. This is an unfortunate burden they place on many Christians because "perfection" becomes the standard for measuring whether or not they are Christians. This can cause people to doubt their salvation. While it is true that we have victory in many areas when we become saved, it is also true that we still struggle with many of our old sins. Of course, it is never okay for us to go ahead and sin (Rom. 6:1-2). We must always struggle for holiness. But the fact is, like Paul, we sometimes do the things we don't want to do and don't do what we should. It is our struggle against sin that demonstrates that we are regenerate since we are seeking to be holy as God is holy (1 Pet. 1:16).
Finally, it is no dead people who struggle for life. Only those who are alive struggle. Likewise, the dead in sin, the unregenerate do not struggle against their sins. Christians do.

2007-09-21 18:23:40 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 5 4

God loves everyone, but he does not love all of our actions. It is fairly simple to see in both the Old and New Testament that God does not condone homosexuality.

...if a person where to say that they openly commit adultery or fornication and have no intention of stopping, then they should not be baptised either. Repent while it is still today.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

2007-09-21 18:23:35 · answer #11 · answered by ignoramus_the_great 7 · 4 3

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