Since you people dont believe in God who do you think created this universe? Dont say the big bang or anything else like that because how were those things made? Matter couldnt have just popped up out of nowhere.
2007-09-21 15:38:20 · 28 answers · asked by Dougy 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
damn why are all you saying things that arent true. like that one guy who said i was doing something to block out answers and the other guy who said i think you guys are ignorant. shut the hell up you guys think i hate you guys. did i say one thing in my question that insulted anyone? i just asked a question. i never said atheists are stupid or ignorant. dont get such an attitude and i apoligize if the wording of my question sounded rude because i really did want to sound rude.
2007-09-22 02:28:09 · update #1
damn it why are you guys getting such an attitude an mocking my beliefs? i respect your beliefs and yet you guys are mocking what i believe in calling it childish beliefs and other things. do i make fun of your beliefs? no. i thought i could come here and ask a question to decent adults without them acting so childish. i asked this question respecting your beliefs and yet a lot of people make fun of mine. i guess i was wrong when i thought there would be mature adults on Yahoo. and to the guy who said "i bet you think you are the first person to ask this" i know im not the first im not a ******* retard. im just asking it again
2007-09-22 02:34:11 · update #2
Perhaps this is the answer to existence and perhaps not. It does show however show that there are other possibilities that are more logical than gods. I only ask that before you simply dismiss it that you read the link posted below.
Personally I believe reality is ultimately mathematics (necessary logical truth) . It only looks like space and time because we see so little of it. Nothing is ever really created. The key here is a powerful selection effect (our existence ) which selects the portion of reality we find ourselves in. Only in very interesting portions (ones that appear as rapidly expanding space-time) of this vast infinite reality could we evolve.
Our understanding of reality is layered. You see the world in terms of large physical objects. But you are aware that those are illusions made up of atoms, and atoms in turn are made of smaller particles. Many believe that these so called "fundamental" particles are not fundamental but are built on a layer of mathematical objects called strings. My belief is that all reality including space-time itself is built upon mathematics and mathematics is what is truly fundamental.
The reason why we see top layers instead of lower layers is due to our inability to see all of the the details in the lower layers.
The reasons for my belief are way too involved to cover here so I will just post a link to something simple enough that you might understand it. I fear my actual reasons are likely to be well beyond your comprehension unless you have a very advanced gaduate physics background.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0704/0704.0646v1.pdf
As mathematics ( necessary logical truth ) is fundamental and necessary it is not created. Existence simply equals necessary truth. Mathematics "just is" because it is necessary and tautologically simple ( Zero complexity ). But Mathematics does not create reality. Mathematics is reality.
The problem with the design hypothesis is your god needs to be more complex and hence more unlikely than the reality you are attempting to explain. Saying your god just is, still leaves a much bigger question than you had to begin with.
Just as a sideline unrelated to my argument : Since I have taken graduate level cosmology I will tell you how mass and energy are thought to have formed because most people do not know.
As most people are aware total mass/energy are thought to be conserved.
However most people do not know Gravitational potential energy is negative.
Rapid inflation results in large amounts of both normal mass/energy and gravitational potential energy which are thought to exactly balance each other.
Most of mass/energy you observe today formed in the first few milliseconds after the big bang as a direct result of the extremely rapid inflation which produces normal energy balanced with gravitational potential energy summing up to zero.
If existence is mathematics we still are left to determine which mathematical structure comprises out bubble universe. Perhaps it is M-Theory perhaps something else. There would still be vast details to be worked out.
2007-09-21 15:55:35 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Whatever the cause of the Big Bang was, I feel I can safely assume that it followed natural laws, even if those laws at the time were different than the ones we are aware of now.
Not being able to explain something is not proof of anything.
I can't explain how Seigfreid and Roy make tigers disappear behind a curtain, or how David Blaine levitates in front of crouds, or how Copperfield can saw a woman in half without killing her, but I think it is safe to say that none of these people are Gods.
Once, before microbes were identified and understood, mold growing inside of sealed jars of soup was celebrated as an act of God's creation.
"God did it" is a logical fallacy. It doesn't answer any questions. It only stifles scientific inquiry, and if that was accepted by everyone as an explanaition for mold growth, we would still be sending people to witch doctors when they get sick.
El Chistoso
2007-09-21 22:53:58 · answer #2 · answered by elchistoso69 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
And how do you know that matter couldn't have just popped up out of nowhere? That's right, you don't know. The truth is that you're terrified of the truth. That's why you prattle on about "Don't say" this or that. Come talk to us when you become a man and put aside childish things, like a belief in some mystical, mysterious being "out there" busy running the world like Santa in his workshop.
2007-09-21 22:53:35 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
1) When you phrase things as 'you people' that comes across as very rude. You should know that.
2) No one knows who, what or how the universe was created. We are minuscule entities on (to us) a very large planet that is in itself a very minuscule dot in the galaxy which is a dot in the cosmos.
Understanding and knowing these things is beyond human comprehension.
3) A person claiming they know all of those things is either:
a) lying
b) a charlatan
c) mentally ill
d) a lying, mentally ill charlatan.
4) If you can please provide for all of us 'ignorant' folk, a mathematical formula that proves that the deity of a bronze age tribe is in fact the one and only creator of the universe, I would like to see it. Also, if you could forward this to the folks at M.I.T., I think they would appreciate it.
2007-09-21 22:45:35 · answer #4 · answered by Reverend Ludd A.A.A.A.A.A. 2 · 3⤊ 0⤋
This current version of the universe happened because of the big bang. There were other ones before this one.
How was your god made to make the universe? Matter/energy couldn't have just popped out of nowhere. The sad part is you won't even understand your own hypocrisy.
2007-09-21 22:42:36 · answer #5 · answered by meissen97 6 · 4⤊ 0⤋
It's the believers who think that matter "just popped up out of nowhere", not the atheists
The best answer at this point is "The Big Bang", whether you like it or not.
2007-09-21 23:18:57 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
What makes you think the universe hasn't always existed? We never said it "just popped up out of nowhere", you're the ones who say THAT. According to the first law of thermodynamics, matter cannot be created or destroyed, and yet God somehow managed to create absolutely everything in six days. Does that really make sense to you?
2007-09-21 22:41:50 · answer #7 · answered by JavaGirl ~AM~ 4 · 10⤊ 0⤋
M Theory.
Look it up, because its way too long for this little box. It includes a cause for the Big Bang and a description of what was here before.
And it is quite reasonable that matter was always here in some form.
2007-09-21 22:43:00 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋
You're right. You see, there was this talking snake that knew how to create billions of galaxies in each of which there were billions of stars. And god said, "Snake, clear your thought and spit." So the snake did as god commanded, and behold: the universe was born! Remarkable how things like that happened all the time during the Bronze Age, isn't it?
2007-09-21 22:46:29 · answer #9 · answered by Yank 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
In short, we don't know. This is one of the most deep and difficult problems there is in physics.
But it's OK to not know and it's OK to admit what we don't know. Not knowing something doesn't make you right. Making up stories for things we don't know is a waste of time. If there really is a god, we should see evidence every day. If this god really wants me to believe, he knows exactly what evidence I'll find acceptable.
Since this evidence is lacking, it's reasonable to withhold belief in god.
2007-09-21 22:44:50 · answer #10 · answered by DogmaBites 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋