who's at fault for the shape of the world?...would this not depend on your belief?

Question

Yesterday I made a reference to this world being in rough shape…on a global scale.

And I had a whole lot of folks with the normal short sighted answer of…

“god didn’t mess up the world man did”

Ok question…if the windows operation system completely destroyed computers, and let to the downfall of the worlds economy would you blame windows?...or it’s creator Boll Gates?...I’m betting bill gets those law suits.

Ok question 2…if 3 pit bull dogs escape from their home and attack a kill a little girl at the bus stop…do the parents sue the dogs?...or the dogs owners?

Odd how we hold the owners/creators responsible in the real world, but through the eyes of the bible thumper…it’s not the owners/creators that’s responsible.

And you wonder why I say their view is twisted?

They lack logic and reason in the religious field, yet apply it to every day life like the rest of us.

yet, if you think/know there is no god, then ofcorse your answer is man.

sorry for the typo's guess I need to spell check everything...swap the o for the very next letter left

Answer 1

You come up with great thought prevoking questions. (and for those of you who can't look past his spelling typos ~ give me a break people.)
But yes, the reason I find it so hard to jump on the christian band wagon, is the lack of logic. It honestly hurts my head to think of how many things, just don't make sense. But you can't argue any of this logically because from their standpoint it is a circular argument. "The world is the way it is because God wanted it that way". And God is infallible, so shut your pie hole and deal with it kind of thing.
Your 'God as an irresponsible parent' comparison totally hits home with me. I just don't get it man *rubs temples* mind boggeling, really. Here is an excerpt from something i found online explaining the holes in the Adam and Even story, concerning the Bad Parent theory:

God is a bad parent

Remedial Christianity
by Paul Laughlin
"Author Paul Alan Laughlin, a liberal Christian, drew an analogy between the story of Genesis 3 and "a more modern scenario." The following parable is based on his tale:
A woman bakes a batch of cookies for a party. She warns her twins, aged 3, to not eat any. She explained to them, deceitfully, that if they did, then she would kill them. Not thinking things through carefully, she placed the cookies on a table, easily accessible to the twins. A brother who was older, wiser and more mature than the twins asked whether their mother had forbidden them to eat anything in the house. The girl twin, Edna, said that mother had only forbidden them to eat the cookies -- on pain of death. The older brother chuckled and told his sister that parents did that a lot. He said: "Of course she wouldn't kill you. She simply wants to deny you the pleasure of munching on the cookies. She doesn't want to share the cookies. She wants to keep them all to herself." Edna does exactly what any adult could predict: she eats one. Then, she persuades her twin brother Albert to eat another.

The mother returns, not aware of the twin's disobedience. She notices crumbs on the table and on the twins' lips. She correctly concludes that the twins have eaten cookies. She flies into a rage, beats them, and throws them out of the house to fend for themselves. She cuts them out of her will. She does all she can to make the lives of any future descendents of the twins miserable. "

Any parent who acts like this lacks love, compassion, intelligence or morals, yet this is exactly how God acts in the Genesis story of Adam and Eve. A possible Christian defence, in order to try and keep God as the good guy, would be that God then rectified the situation by sending his son out to retrieve his children. But this could all have been averted if God was simply a better parent in the first place!

Answer 2

My mother was a tough lady, a good mom and an incredibly determined and disciplined human being - I did love her. But it seemed to me, growing up, that she utterly subjugated her own needs and desires to my dad's, to the point where she couldn't live without him defining her life. And my father took her devotion utterly for granted, like it was his right to have someone wait on him hand and foot, rather than a privilege. Maybe she was happy that way, but I recognized at a young age that I did not want to live like that. She also had many opinions about sex and society that I found Victorian and arrogant...her unquestioning belief in her own racial, religious and socio-economic superiority definitely moved me to seek out other world views and experiences.

Answer 3

"who's at fault for the shape of the world?...would this not depend on your belief?" No. that humanity is a fault is understood, because humanity has a "take it and make it MY way" attitude toward the resources of everything humanity sees. Somehow humanity has green light to reshape or change for good or bad every piece of land, forests, animals, minerals, water they can.
GOD made the planet, (and everything) - humanity pees where they sleep, as it were, with no heavenly guards. GOD watches because GOD wants souls. GOD has planets and stars, but made humanity to be a part of his/her life, as heirs (according to Jesus, I don't know any other religion, sorry.) in the plan of GOD. So now humanity has to mature and learn to control all of the passions fighting against gaining heaven.
To be out of control is sinning. To be unbalanced is sinning. To be like a saint or prophet, or Jesus (whomever) is the goal - in balance and in control living at peace with nature, and your brothers and sisters.

Answer 4

What I don't understand is the whole 'free will' thing. So many religious people claim that the ills in life occur becuase we chose it of our own free will, and because 'God loves us' he doesn't interfer in our precious free will.
What 'loving Father' stands back and watches their child get mugged, raped, murdered etc and says 'This situation occurred through free will, I will not interfer'. I mean, if you believe in the Christian God, that's what it boils down to: a loving Father watching horrible things happen to his children through no fault of their own, and doing nothing to help.
If a human parent did that, there would be an outcry against it and they'd get slammed for being a bad parent.

Answer 5

I think you're a little mistaken about the shape of the world. Try being here about 5000 years ago when one in every two children died soon after birth, a sizeable percentage of the population was bandits, and rape, murder, and all the worst we see in humanity today was common-place.
While you say God might be to blame for what ails us, I'd say man is to thank for our improvement.

Answer 6

I think the shape of the world is just fine, sort of a slightly squashed sphere that's flatter at the poles. That's a good shape for a planet, in my opinion.

Answer 7

Sometimes religion is a little crazy but it`s not as pressing at the condition of our environment. I think the environment is affecting our lives much more so than all the religions combined.

Answer 8

Well it is either God's fault for giving man free will or it is mans fault for misusing it. There is no correct answer.

Answer 9

are you NOT accountable for anything regardless of your faith

what on earth are you responsible for...many things, trash the situations
your accountable to yourself, and God case closed

Answer 10

Why should I take you seriously when you cant even spell "Bill Gates"?

"Boll Gates" LOL