how do you explain the perfect order of the universe when the chance for such order from a big bang couldn't have been achieved unless enforced from a supreme being over creation...as has been mathematically proven?
2007-09-08 17:31:48 · 30 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
you're right - the universe isn't perfect, but it is intelligent design ...the planets revolving around the sun, the suitable temperature, climate control, and ozone layer that makes earth livable by us humans and other creatures, the order of the constellations,
the universe may not be perfect, but in no way is it a mess
2007-09-08 18:08:05 · update #1
First, show that you know what the big bang was. Second, lets see the source for your claim that it has been scientifically proven that a creator was involved.
2007-09-08 17:37:58 · answer #1 · answered by Thor 3 · 4⤊ 0⤋
A couple points:
!) This has nowhere near been "mathematically proven", the very concept is silly. What has been mathematically proven as the universe couldn't exist as we know it if the rules by which the universe was governed weren't as they are.... Which is basically as intuitive as it comes. It's like proving a ball could not have been rolling down a hill if there is no hill.
2) "Perfect order" also has yet to be displayed, the concept that things are in perfect order also seems rather silly in of itself. Planets, solar systems, and galaxies organize themselves, sure, but there is nothing "perfect" about this, matter is following simple rules and generating complexity, it's a thing called fractal compression, kind of like how DNA makes a functioning mammal. In fact, the universe is becoming more and more disordered, to eventually suffer heat death due to entropy.
3) What better way could beings that arose out of a universe define "perfection" than the workings of that universe?... Your concept of perfection is rather subjective.
2007-09-09 00:41:54 · answer #2 · answered by yelxeH 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Is it the perfect order of the universe for the Andromeda Galaxy to collide with our Milky Way? What perfect order has caused our planet to be bombarded regularly by asteroids and comets (did you know we're over due for another big hit)?
What order was there if there were 15 hominids now extinct, most notably the Neanderthals? What are we, the new and improved model? All we can observe is the irreversible trend toward equilibrium (as layed out in the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics). Do the tectonic plates wonder what 'perfect order' they are fulfilling when they crash into each causing human death and calamity?
Don't make me laugh....
2007-09-09 00:53:10 · answer #3 · answered by Its not me Its u 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
If you think that there is perfect order in the universe, then you are clearly hallucinating.
I continue to be amazed that people exist who are unable to discern the qualitative difference between human artifacts and the fact that matter, in dynamic processes in conjunction with natural forces self-organizes... planets and solar systems being prime examples.
Here's an experiment that you can perform right in your own kitchen. Get a container of Morton Salt. Slowly and carefully begin pouring it out on your table, until there is a little inverted cone of salt, and when you add more it just runs down the sides, and the pile does not get any higher. Then move on to start a new pile. Repeat until all the salt is gone. You will note that all the little piles of salt are the same height, and the angle of the sides of each pile is the same.
Now... tell me... does that happen because God has sent down an angel, with a ruler and a protractor and a trowel, to shape the little piles of salt? Or, perhaps god intervenes directly, 'speaking' the salt piles into uniform height and 'angle of repose'?
Also... the formation of stars and their accompanying solar systems is well understood... it's about as mystical and supernatural as the little piles of salt. Look up 'solar nebula'. Or, are you are satisfied with "God did it", without any consideration whatsoever for alternative possibilities?
2007-09-09 00:38:57 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋
This is an excellent question. And as most excellent questions, it is best addressed by a scientist, not a room full of humanities majors. I suggest that if you are genuinely curious about it, do as I would do and go check out http://www.talkorigins.org . The mathematical proof seems not to have a large bunch of adherents, since most of the world's top scientists are atheistic.
One final note: I fail to see any connection between the order of the universe (such as it is), and a personal god that interferes in that very order to make sure the minister gets a parking spot near the funeral home.
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2007-09-09 00:38:54 · answer #5 · answered by NHBaritone 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
I'm not Atheist, but I'm still throwing in my two cents.
Firstly, the Big Bang wasn't orderly. It was quite Chaotic. Atoms were zooming all over the place, photons crashing into photons, creating a giant explosion, sending bodies of gas HURLING at trillions of lightyears in mere seconds halfway across the universe.
Also, there is a tear in the universe. Big Hole. Not a black hole or dark matter, either. Was discovered within the last two weeks. Look it up, if you want.
Anyway, Nature nor the Big Bang are/were orderly.
That's just all I've got to say.
- 17 yo Pagan
2007-09-09 00:37:27 · answer #6 · answered by Lady Myrkr 6 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Two flaws in your statement:
1) Perfect order?
2) What mathematical proof is that? Care to elaborate? I'm a math major and I don't think I've heard of mathematics proving or disproving the order of the universe.
2007-09-09 00:42:21 · answer #7 · answered by =_= 5 · 5⤊ 0⤋
The universe is what it is. You've decided that there is a perfect order to it that must have been designed by a supreme being. The part about it being mathematically proven is nonsense.
2007-09-09 00:40:07 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋
It's a matter of perspective. The universe does not possess perfect order. It only seems that way to us because it works to our benefit. Most of the time. So far.
2007-09-09 00:43:33 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
When you say you have proof of something- It's expected you produce said 'proof'. What do you mean by perfect order exactly? Last time I checked, The sun was going to explode and engulf the earth, and the milkyway is on a collision course with the andromeda galaxy...That doesn't seem like perfect planning to me.
2007-09-09 00:36:32 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 6⤊ 0⤋
The perfect order of the Universe? What perfect order? It is what it is. There is no perfection in it, the Universe exists as it does, not perfect, nor imperfect.
And there are no proofs , it was mathematically manipulated to show in favor of your God..
2007-09-09 00:36:29 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋