If Arizona law says you can't pay benefits to illegal immigrants including in state tuition...?

Question

but the University instead gives those illegal immigrants scholarships from 'private funds already in the University coffers', how is that not giving the benefit? And when they say legal students won't be hurt because it is given based on need, what about the 200 students who needed it 'just less' than those illegally here. Aren't they hurt?

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/96896?source=rss&dest=STY-96896

It is the 'money already in the University coffers' that is the issue here, not private scholarships privately awarded without University selection input.

What do you think?

tonalc 1 but if the private donors gave it to the University to distribute, isn't it a state benefit?

Millicent, I am speaking of a law that was passed and government entities trying to end run it, not your particular opinion to which you are entirely entitled. If the law says they can't discriminate with funds and they discriminated with the private scholarships they administered, I don't think there would be any doubt that it would be considered improper and that their involvement would be considered contrary to the law.

and Millicent, the issue isn't how wrong what the kids did was when they were young, it is how much of our limited resources should be reserved for those legally here when those legally here also need it.

Answer 1

This will possibly get me a violation. The Board of Regents should be charged with misfeasance of office. The law is clear. Even funds that are private when they are donated become public funds of the school once they are donated. Every single person who is doing such is breaking a law.
Which laws can we break with impunity? If one law is to be ignored then all laws must be ignored. When a person speeds and gets away with it they learn that laws can be ignored. Which ones will they ignore next? The laws governing murder, cannibalism, child predation, or rape.
Tis a slippery slope they have walked upon, and they would say I would never do any of the other things! Yes but they are not me or you or Jeffery Dahlmer and they darn sure do not know how far one of us may take the laws to be ignored.

Milicent R: You are very correct that if a private fund is set up that funds specific items than those funds are private. If a donation is given to a public University to set up a fund then those funds are governed by the public law. You are a very smart lady and while I do not always agree with you I always enjoy your posts Thank you for making YA a better place to be.

Answer 2

It depends on what criteria the funds were set up for.In example...I have a fund set up at my local Elementary School.When I set the fund up I was very clear on what was to be done with the fund.My criteria for the fund covers field trips,instrument rentals,sports fees,bus passes,and fees for certain extra classes.A small portion is set aside for materials such as note books,pens,etc.The personal criteria is children who would otherwise be left out of these things due to finances.The school district CAN NOT touch my fund.It's a private fund which is school specific.I chose the school because of it's high population of poorer students.So maybe that's how this was set up too.I'm sure some children of illegals use my fund.Which frankly I don't care.I feel education should be an equal opportunity for all regardless of circumstance.Children of citizens have many other options open to them that they can utilize.I can not deny any human being the means to better themselves.There are too many children in this world who have nothing to do with their circumstances.Would you deny a drug addicts child simply because the parent is not someone who you deem socially acceptable?Or does a piece of paper saying citizen mean that childs parent is absolved of any criminal acts?

edit to add:

That was what I was trying to say.The law can only cover certain area's it can NOT cover a privately set up fund.The law says you can't descriminate.However something privately set up can regardless of law.If the fund says based on need and the citizens children showed less need then the University was in all accordance to law and criteria of the public fund.I'm sorry it doesn't sit well with you but they are correct.

Answer 3

The question is not how it is aquiring or using privte funding, however, the government funding granted is.
If the University is using the private funding to entice illegals to meet a minority to qualify for government funding, then it's actions are questionable and may be fraudulent. If it is used for tax purposes it is fraud.

Answer 4

Tancredo, Ron Paul, and Hunter have the most conservative voting records on immigration.
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop2.html
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop3.html
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop1.html

Of these three, Ron Paul has the best chance of winning the Primary election.
Paul's campaign has almost 5 times as much money to spend as Tancredo.
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/C00432914.html
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/C00431619.html

The NAFTA Superhighway might be another significant threat to American borders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul349.html

Answer 5

It's illegal to provide state money (i.e., money from taxes), however, not illegal to provide financial assistance of any kind. It appears from this article that the university's funds came from private donors.

Answer 6

That is ridiculous! Most True American citizens who have been here for a number of generations don't get these same benefits. Most are risking their lives joining the military to get some tuition assistance.

Answer 7

Well, the money maybe private, but the labor that helps with dispensing it is still state money. So I still see it being illegal.

Answer 8

the american young ones are finding out to purchase the unlawful immigrants to circulate to college truly so, no by way of fact how might unlawful ungrateful regulation breaking immigrants get a loose educayion

Answer 9

The University and it's faculty should be charged with aiding and abetting criminals. If I was to give aid to a person, then in commission of a crime, I would be jailed I'm sure.