Hi Vegetarians,pls answer this...?

Question

I have found many questions and answers in this forum accusing non-vegetarians of committing sins by eating dead animals and making their bodies impure and graveyards by consuming meat,etc etc...

My question is "Don't Plants have life?" Its been scientifically proven tht plants do have life.They experience growth as well as pain,just as animals do.The only difference is tht they don't bleed or cry out loud while dying.They just die a silent death.But tht doesn't mean they don't experience pain while they are being uprooted(for acquiring veg like potatoes,carrots..)while fruits and vegetables are hacked off them,etc. They are not lifeless.

So,aren't you too doing the same thing as non-vegetarians by consuming plants and vegetables? You are eating dead bodies too.Your body too is bcuming a vegetarian graveyard.So,no vegetarian in my opinion,has a right to accuse a non-vegetarian for his/her eating habits.
What arguements wud you like to put forward for this query of mine??

Well,all said and done,I wud advise my esteemed friends who claim tht plants don't experience pain to visit the following link :
http://www.department13designs.com/vegan.html

Many of the answerers are denying the fact tht plants experience pain,but none among you guys seem to deny tht plants do hav life.So,are you trying to imply tht its ok to kill sumthng or sum1 who does not experience pain? Wud you agree if animals are killed painlessly and then consumed?
Listen friends,I don't mean to agitate or irritate anyone of you.Just wish to have a healthy arguement with no bad feelings being exchanged.

Answer 1

The pity is they claim milk also as vegetarian. The curd formation involves bacteria, bread is fermented using yeast, a fungus. All antibiotics are products of funguses. The capsule that encloses your medicine is gelatin-a animal product. The shoes we wear all from animal origin. Not taken from dead animals, but humanly killed animals. All the calcium in the world are from sea shell origin. All the vitamin A are from cord liver oil. In agriculture we kill 2000 insects, frogs, snakes, rats per Kg of food grain. Nothing in the world is vegetarian.

Answer 2

I only have a couple of points to make. Firstly as a scientist you reference source is floored. It's not from a respected journal and therefore hasn't been reviewed by a body of the scientist's piers. No-one is disputing that plants are living things I think we've all had enough plants die on us that that goes without saying. However it has yet to been shown that a plant has a central nervous system so we will have to asume along with the body of evidence than supports it that plants don't feel pain. It is also a strange arguement even if plants do feel pain. It would hurt you if I punched you in the arm and it would hurt the next person if i did it to them. Does this mean I should hit you both and everyone else that feels it. Thats what your arguement (or atleast the one in your source seems to suggest) because plants and animals both feel pain we should just kill them all or starve.

My other point is I consume a vegan diet not for any particular overwhelming love of animals or any problem with the way they are treated or slaughtered. But because I feel that is a healthier diet for me. Selfishly you might claim I don't care what other people eat I don't care if they eat meat I only care about what I put into my body. And I can see no medical benefit from eating meat. Unfortunatly on both sides of any arguement there are people who always try to make out thay they are morally superior. Sometimes this is the vegetarians and sometimes the meat eaters. At the end of they day It isn't for other people to judge, you just have to be able to justify your decisions to yourself.

Answer 3

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Answer 4

Even setting aside the pain issue (which is a valid one nonetheless)

1- Eating meat kills more plants than eating plants does. Most produce grown in the US is fed to livestock, eating a pound of beef 'kills' sixteen pounds of plant food.

2- Plants do not experience emotion as most animals do. So the added effect of fear of death, loss of a loved one, and a lifetime of captivity makes a qualitative difference between killing flora and fauna.

3- To sustain oneself, we must make a choice; we must consume something. No matter one's views on killing plants, it is at worst the lesser of two evils for the above reasons.

Being vegetarianism is about more than simply the avoidance of 'destroying life.' It is more complex, involving quality of life, environment, and health reasons as well.

Answer 5

well food is a physical requirement. extremities of either side are bad.Once upon a time the pure saints of Hinduism used to eat only the fruits fallen from trees, pick up the rice/paddy fallen from the dead grass and drink river waters. Hinduism preaches "sattwick food[light to digest vegetarian food]" for spiritual well being, where too much of cruelty is not expected. The Atman[The Holy spirit or Soul] exists in every thing in the universe including living or nonliving things.

Answer 6

well, consider the fact that omnivores eat both plants and animals - now know that it takes 4 times as many plants to feed a cow that feeds fewer people than those 4 loads of grain would have - now realise that omnivores actually require the deaths of more plants as well as more animals, thus, we are kinder to the plants as well as the animals

on another note - we know that animals have nervous systems - they have to to induce the flight or fight syndrome when threatened - plants can not fight, nor can they flee, thus it would make no sense for them to have a nervous system or feel pain - it has not been proen that they feel pain - that was a fad in the 90's similar to all the times a 'schizophrenic gene' has been found - they still haven't actually figured it out

Its also much healthier on your body to eat a vege diet, so if i had to kill something, i would rather kill the one that is healthier for me, we don't know it feels anything, and the one i have to kill fewer of

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Answer 7

Plants feel pain now? Kind of grasping at straws aren't we? Did you fall asleep during in the third grade when they did the unit on nervous systems?

Plants might have a stress-avoidance response, but it is quite a stretch to refer to this as “pain.” It is even more erroneous to equate this response with the pain suffered by animals and human beings. Plants lack nerve endings, brains, hormones, and other structures that would allow them to experience pain. They also lack the ability to move away from sources of stress, an evolutionary trait linked with the ability to feel pain.

Even those who argue that plants feel pain and suffer should support a vegetarian diet because the number of plants that must be fed to an animal to produce enough meat for one human is greater than the number of plants required to feed that same human if he or she ate the plants directly. Meat-eaters are responsible for “killing” 10 times more plants than vegetarians, and they also kill and cause suffering to animals.

The argument that plants feel pain and suffer and that killing them is as bad as killing animals is weak and illogical. Those who use this argument to justify their continued consumption of meat should attempt to approach the debate in a more logical, scientific manner.

Just another false argument made by people who eat meat in order to justify what they do. This always amazes me, they say that they do not feel bad about eating animals yet they are always trying to justify why they eat the way they do.

Answer 8

As a long time vegan, longer time vegetarian,
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Answer 9

Hello,
A simple question: Would you eat a good steak ... of human?
Or even of your cat or dog? Probably not.
In lifeforms, there is a gradation.
And, humans need to eat in order to survive.
When we eat, we should try to do a minimum of damage to Nature. If we can survive by eating plants, we ought to do so.
By the way, if we can drive a small car instead of a SUV, it is great too. Less damage to the planet.

Answer 10

So when you posted this question didn't you see all the other questions come up that asked the same exact thing? I know you wish to sound smart, but you already know the answer to this. Plant life and Animal life is not the same thing. You should have been taught this in elementary school.

You dufus, of course no1 is denying plants have life. They are living beings..to deny that would be ridiculous...just like you comparing the way animals experience pain and feelings to the way plants do. as i said b4 you already know the ridiculousness in your little antagonistic "debtate" here. there is no healthy convo to be had, as this question is a joke.