Are Christians Devaluing their Religion by trying to One Up Science?

Question

I continue to be amazed at the lengths to which creationists will go to illustrate that there is scientific evidence to disprove evolution and to prove God put it all together in 6 days. From Dr. Dino turned Felon, to Henry Morris to ridiculous websites (too many to name), believers are desperately trying to catch up with and "one up" science.

Name for me a SINGLE technological / medical invention based on the so called "science" of creationism?

And consider my question. Do any of you understand you are not only devaluing Christianity but, by insisting that Biblical verse will prevail over science, driving away reasonable and intelligent people from your churches?

Is that your intent? And what exactly is your insecurity about evolutionary theory. Is it too humiliating to admit you're wrong, don't you want your children to be educated?

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Answer 1

"Are Christians Devaluing their Religion by trying to One Up Science?"
Loaded question. Christians are not trying to "one up" science, but instead are questioning the philosophical assumption, i.e., methodological naturalism, upon which the Fairy Tale of Evolution rests.

"Do any of you understand you are not only devaluing Christianity but, by insisting that Biblical verse will prevail over science, driving away reasonable and intelligent people from your churches?"
Repetition of the previous loaded question with some slanted language added ("reasonable and intelligent people", which assumes that Creationists don't fall into this category).

"And what exactly is your insecurity about evolutionary theory[?]"
Psychological card, assuming that rejection of the Fairy Tale of Evolution is based on "insecurity".

"Is it too humiliating to admit you're wrong...?"
Another psychological card (implies refusal to believe in the Fairy Tale of Evolution is due to fear of humiliation), as well as argument by assumption.

"don't you want your children to be educated?"
Appeal to emotion, and slanted language (implies "educated" = "believing in the Fairy Tale of Evolution")

"Name for me a SINGLE technological / medical invention based on the so called 'science' of creationism?"
Raising the bar to high. Name me one for which belief in the Fairy Tale of Evolution is necessary (and note that "[w]hatever positive therapeutic outcomes might one day arise from
[modern] research will clearly depend on the 'here and now' operational realities of human biology, not speculative attempts to retrace a belief about how those genes arose from alleged animal ancestors").

"I continue to be amazed at the lengths to which creationists will go to illustrate that there is scientific evidence to disprove evolution and to prove God put it all together in 6 days."
It's impossible to prove or disprove either. Both sides have the same evidence, the difference is between the two sides is the interpretation (or to be more exact, the framework or presuppositions that underlie the interpretation) of the evidence. Oh, and nice attempt to poison the well, by noting how you're "amazed at the lengths to which creationists will go".

"Dr. Dino turned Felon"
Genetic fallacy. That he was imprisoned has no bearing on his (or any other creationist's) arguments.

"ridiculous websites"
Merely more poisoning of the well.

"believers are desperately trying to catch up with and 'one up' science."
As if some scientists weren't believers....

Answer 2

Ok, you have a point. Creationism is not the reason for our technological and medical advancements. I do have one statement, which is not meant to prove anything.... Washing yourself under running water was a Biblical principle before it was a medical principle.
I am thankful for modern advancements. Without them, most of us would not be here, including myself. I wouldn't say I am insecure about the evolutionary theory (thanks for calling it a theory, btw). I do believe in micro-evolution, a.k.a. evolution within species. I do NOT believe in macro-evolution, a.k.a. man from ape. I am of the same mind-set as you in a way. Micro-evolution has been scientifically proven to me. Macro has not. Give me the "missing link". Give me more concrete proof. Remember, it is still a theory until all the evidence is in.
I'm sure you'll next ask me what concrete proof I have for God. The proof I have is personal experience. That probably won't mean much to you, and it's your right to disagree with me. God proved Himself to me, and if you are truly searching for him, not just asking Him to put on a show for you, He will do the same for you.

Answer 3

That's a great assessment. I think it's mostly because of the unsettling combination of politics and religion that has creeped into US politics. I think Christ was apolitical...


-In response to Ty...

the point of science is that it CHANGES to accomodate evidence. It it was wrong, then it changes to make itself right. That's self improving.

What's self-improving about screaming "Godditit" at people while holding a leather-bound book?

Answer 4

Basically, they're trying to make excuses for the Bible even though it's completely unsupportable by facts.

Grasping at straws

Answer 5

You are absolutely correct.


Ty:
Wasnt the bible written, selected and retranslated by humans?

Answer 6

Wasn't science created by humans, yeah, it was.

Don't humans make mistakes, yeah, they do.

Does god make mistakes, I don't think so.

Edit for the slow ones out there.

SCIENCE HAS A LOT OF MISTAKES

Yup it was kenshin, I never said anything about the bible though :)

Answer 7

Don't make them cry, I really don't want to see them when reality hits (not that it ever will unfortunately).

Answer 8

http://reasons.org/