Intelligent athiests only!!!?

Question

Where did we come from? I mean if evolution is true and we all oin one way or another evolved from a single celled organism, where did the cell come from? And the big bang theory is the same if everything came from one supercompressed atom that exploded, Where did the atom come from?

Where did god come from? I know you'll think I'm being a smart a** trying to prove your wrong but I'm not, he had to be created to. My point is something had to be created

Every time I try to comprehend anything coming into existence it comes down to something having to be created. And if something had to create us it had to have supernatural abilities, Imagination, and intelligence.

to be completely honest and logical about it, it sounds like god to me, it could be more than one but its got to be something all powerful, right?

anyway I want to know of any other possibilities of how anything got here on its own living or objects.

I AM NOT TRYING TO PROVE GOD EXISTS SO GIVE A REAL ANSWER

IF YOU DON"T KNOW SAY YOU DONT KNOW BECAUSE I SURE AS HELL DONT. GIVE A THEORY IF YOU HAVE ONE

I had to rephrase this question and reask it because I was attacked by idiots with the question "who created god" instead of getting an intelligent answer from them

Answer 1

In my opinion it is beyond human comprehension how everything was first created. Nothing in our knowledge can explain it, which is probably why religion started in the first place. I personally dont believe in the bible, but i think there is a god, which hopefully is enough to be admitted in heaven, if there is one. The only person who i thought explained the creation everything would be Orson Scott Card. I loved his books, read most of them. I think it is Children of the Mind that talk about it, im not exactly sure. Its so complicated i cant possibly explain it.

Answer 2

I'm not an atheist, but the Big Bang, in whatever way it happened, was not the "beginning of the universe" in a literal sense. Instead, it was the beginning of the universe as we know it. Remember, matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore, matter and/or energy have always existed in one form or another. This means that the Big Bang was just an event in an eternal sequence of events.

As for how life began, nobody knows for sure. I think an ongoing theory or hypothesis is that there was a lot of heat and electricity present when life was first forming. But no one knows.

I know it's hard to imagine everything turning out the way it is. That's not why I believe in a higher power, though. I believe in one because I feel better when I believe. I have questioned it, and I still do. But I think there is something out there. May we all find out someday exacty what it is, if it's even there.

I guess I broke the rules of your question, since I am not an atheist. Sorry.

Answer 3

You make the mistake that life is binary -- Alive or Not-Alive.

There are chemical reactions which are self sustaining but not separated from the environment... is it alive or not alive? If two such mutually catalyzing reactions occur, is it a little more alive?

RNA can be both an information recording system as well as a catalyst (rRNA, for example).

Where did the first cell come from? A protocell. What is a protocell? It's a bilipid membrane that forms naturally where water and oil churn together, usually in the presence of emulsifiers. If some of these early catalytic systems were encapsulated, you'd have a protocell.

You also do not understand the cosmological principles -- the big bang was not the explosion of an atom. It was a quantum zero-point energy field tunneling to a lower energy level. Far from a bang, it was more of a fizzle that converted large amounts of potential energy into particles as well as produced a negative vacuum.

Further still, you fail to grasp the concept that just because a thing is contingent, does not mean that the prima causa is intelligent, or omnipotent, etc. It simply has to be non-contingent, and there's nothing that prevents a force of nature from being non-contingent.

There is no deity, so the question of 'where did god come from' is entirely moot.

Answer 4

Honestly that's why I'm Agnostic. I believe in Evolution and the Big Bang all, but *no one* on the entire planet has a clear cut answer. I don't think anyone ever will, either. Life in itself is a theory. But I still wonder what put everything into motion so the universe came into being how we see it.

But I highly doubt God exists as the religious groups think he does. I believe the Bible has no answers about creation and is not meant to be taken literally-- it was a moral book for people 2000 years ago and not meant for today. Evolution and hundreds of other proofs negate the Creation theory-- at least, as far as one being making us to worship him and all.

This sounds nuts, but what if we created ourselves? What if there is a single consiousness spanning the universe that has always been and somehow we're part of it? What if we willed ourselves into being, and willed everything else into being somehow? I'm a huge believer in the collective unconsious-- just look at how every group of humans spanning history uses the same Archetypes. It's very strange, but thought seems to be the one thing no one has even explained.

Any theory can fit now, because no one really has the truth no matter how many clues on the subject we're given. So, I remain Agnostic and don't claim to know. Who knows, anyone could be right or wrong.

Peace.

Answer 5

The beginning of the universe, the big bang, would have been so unlike what we know now it is hard for physics to predict exactly what happened or how it happened. Look up zero-point energy. Its a scientific principle based on the Heisenberg uncertainty principle that says (and this has been demonstrated in labs) that empty space creates energy. There's a current theory similar to this about where all the matter and energy in the universe came from.

Life came from years and years of semi-organic materials and compounds mixing, reacting, and interacting until a self-replicating protein finally emerged, possibly after being struck by lightning or obtaining alot of static electricity. Eventually these proteins (similar to viruses) formed a cell (similar to bacteria), became more complicated (prokaryotes), formed colonies and eventual multicellular organisms. If you think about the time scale all this happened over, its not as improbable as many people think.

Answer 6

Quantum mechanics has some interesting discoveries about vacuum fluctuations. They found that as they approached an absolute vacuum matter and energy began to appear in it spontaneously. This has led to some ideas that the moment of creation could have been a quantum fluctuation in a vacuum.
A vacuum so complete that even time and space did not exist. It sounds like a very God-like POOF to me too.

The honest fact is that nobody really knows but whether it was god or a quantum accident really does not matter. In trying to find answers to it we end up learning a great deal of useful things.
If you accept the religious answer of a divine miracle and stop, then you are really stopped and you have nothing else to ask about. If you do that we might as well go back to living in the trees and eating bugs.

Answer 7

There are a lot of assumptions in your questions, as there are in any of this type. We assume we understand Cause and Effect, but these are conventions based on our experience of Time. We experience Time in a linear, flowing sense, but we can't be sure if that is objective or a limitation of our biological makeup. "Time" might simply be our way of encountering a universe too complex to take in any other way.

The "Big Bang" could simply be one temporally pointed, out-of-view end of a continuum that always exists whether we can perceive it or not. It could be the result of a collapse or disintegration of another universe. Our characterization of it as the "explosion" of some kind of super-atom doesn't adequately express what it was/is.

Scientists understand that matter and energy, while constant, are expressions of each other. Under the right conditions, they could exchange forms. Some particles have mass, some don't. Some travel at the speed of light, some don't. Molecules are made of atoms, but atoms are made of subatomic particles, and these are in turn made of quarks, which may be expressions of sub-sub-atomic "strings". At some point it's hard to say what "matter" is or how it differs from energy. And with the emerging discoveries of "dark" matter and "dark" energy, we have a long way to go to form a comprehensive theory of the universe from either end of "Time".

Biogenesis is easier. We've seen evidence of amino acids in space. Organic chemicals do form as part of natural chemical reactions. With enough time for suitable conditions to arise, a combination of sufficiently complex organic chemicals could form a molecule that could create copies of portions of itself. RNA is such a molecule. No one considers it "life", but it does have a replicative feature. Other basic components of a cell, such as mitochondria, may form under other conditions. Catalytic chemicals that automatically enable a reaction between two other chemicals, releasing chemical energy, are the building blocks of metabolism. These different functions occured separately, naturally, long before anything like a "cell" ever appeared. When they occured in the presence of each other, a symbiotic reaction began to be expressed. The catalytic reaction could fuel the energy required for the replicative action. And at some point, the insulating function of a semi-permeable molecular barrier provided the rudiments of a cell wall. With repetition over the course of millennia, the pieces finally fell together and created a closed system, a cell.

The problem with a creationistic mentality is that it is always assumes there is a concrete starting point, a moment where something wasn't, then something is. The building blocks of life developed before life did. Saying "God did it," is giving up, refusing to look any deeper into the process because it's too hard or uncomfortable. Maybe God did "do" it, but there is always another level of the mystery to penetrate, and each level gives God less to "do". Either he's clever enough to pull everything off with virtually nothing to start with, or he's, well....

There's no harm in believing, but if you don't mind, I'm still going to bump up the power on my microscope.

Answer 8

ok the way i see it is, the universe has limits, so what is outside these limits? surely you cannot have something(the universe) inside nothing right?.that leads me to believe that originally, an undiscovered mass off anti/dark matter existed, which, due to its nature, was not constrained by this rule.as the mass grew, the gravitational force placed on the centre of this mass resulted in an enormous amout of pressure, compacting this anti matter and forming hydrogen, an extremely volatile element which in turn got compacted further , until releasing this combination of chemical and gravitational energy outwards as heat and kinetic energy, as the laws of physics state that energy is never lost, just converted into different types of energy ie heat and kinetic. The sudden release of this energy (we are talking ridiculous amounts here) could very well have created new elements in the process. over time, as groups of these new atoms began to attract each other due to gravitational force, the planets are formed. Plants and trees, well practicaly everything living is based on carbon , a very common element, and after the most basic plant was created, due to chemical reactions caused by gravity and heat, evolution gradually takes place . I think your issue here is understanding how can a bacteria evolve from a plant? well, they are both just very advanced forms of carbon and other chemicals, as are humans. so no there was no magic power or intelligence involved.

Answer 9

There are things that are not properly understood at this time. While we understand a great deal about the process of evolution, we do not understand ALL of it.

There is a lot we understand about the Big Bang. It wasn't an atom, it was all matter compressed to the size of an atom. It didn't explode either, it expanded.

It is okay to be amazed, impressed, and awed by all of this stuff. Just don't look for easy answers to explain it.

Answer 10

No one can say anything for sure. Some theories are:
The matter that made the universe has always existed.
The single cell was made from random elements joining together (I don't feel like giving a biochemistry lesson right now). I don't know what organelles it was supposed to have, but it must have been very very simple...a mitochondria for energy, some nucleic matter, and a lysosome or something similar.