Christians deny victims of pedophilia access to Heaven?

Question

Here is my reference....
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...

1 Corinthians 6:9 (New King James Version)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites,

Footnotes:
[a] 1 Corinthians 6:9 That is, catamites

Now.... "what's a catamite" .... well as far as I can figure a Catomite is word with latin origin that means the younger partner in a pederastic relationship between two males. This strikes a particular discord with me ... That is, a Catomite refers exclusively to a victim of pedophilia ... but more interestingly Paul does not condemn the adult perpetrator in this text ... he condemns the adolescent victim!

So, Christians please explain the morality of this to me 'cause I need to know. Thanks {{Dr G}} ~ I have read your earlier reply so you need not bother this time.

I havent twisted anything.. merely looking at the version of the bible I have on my desk.... that my son brought home from school.

john_d_ayer... I am an educated man and I defer to the translation provided in my bible rather than to your own! You went to tommy's two-up school or what?

I could care less what happens to pedophiles.. it's the victim that the text goes to... please resist telling me pedophiles can repent. They never do.

Answer 1

h ouk oidate oti adikoi qeou basileian ou klhronomhsousin; mh planasqe: oute pornoi oute eidwlolatrai oute moicoi oute malakoi oute arsenokoitai

Greek converted into ascii.

malakoV,a {mal-ak-os'}
1) soft, soft to the touch 2) metaph. in a bad sense 2a) effeminate 2a1) of a catamite 2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man 2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness 2a4) of a male prostitute.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but, it is much harder to fool an educated person.

In this case the definition of the word is "of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness", that is obvious from the context of the original Greek.

Answer 2

sodomites are the ones committing the act. a child is an innocent victim. Jesus said that it is better that a man has a millstone tied about his neck and to be cast into the sea than for him to offend one of these little ones. if Jesus felt that strongly about it, i would hate to see the wrath that falls on those that have hurt and destroyed little children. I have not looked up the word catamite, but if that word was in a footnote and not in the actual scripture, then no one should add or take away from the word... That is like saying a rape victim is more guilty than the rapist. That goes against the very character of God. Jesus also said suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not for such is the kingdom of Heaven. Now if a child that has been a victim grows up and victimizes other children then he or she will have to give an account for their own actions.

Answer 3

Does the younger partner recognize that what he is doing is wrong? If he has the capacity to know this prior to the "relationship," then yes he is liable sin is sin. If he is not...say like he was brainwashed...then I don't believe so. But I do know that a man seeking after a young man for relations he will be judged. God is very particular about kids. There are scriptures in the Bible that speak to the wrongdoings towards kids. He said that person may as well hang a millstone around their neck! I'm paraphrasing. These kids have many angels surrounding them.
Now I'm sorry but in my bible 1 Corinthians 6:9 speaks about christians should not sue other christians...so I have not idea where you get your info from...I trust my bible and mines alone....
Finally a christian cannot deny anyone access to anything. God is the man with the masterplan. He is the one who judges....so I think you are trying to attack Christians which from where I am standing your logic is faulty....Christians merely tell you what the Word says....You are trying to figure out something that obviously was not meant for you to figure out.

Answer 4

I am agnositc, however I recognize you've misunderstood and misinterpreted this scripture.

The Bible says "homosexuals" which means people who willingly engage in homosexuality; not victims of rape nor sexual abuse. By making this reference to "catamites" the Bible is including those boys who willingly took part of this ancient Rome custom; this does not mean young boys who were tied up and raped.


A catamite is the younger partner in a pederastic relationship between two males [citation needed] and was a popular arrangement in the ancient world, especially ancient Rome. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catamite)


WordNet - Cite This Source catamite

noun
a boy who submits to a sexual relationship with a man

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.

Answer 5

The fact is, pedophiles do repent and the minor victims are not held responsible for the fact that they cannot fight back.
Children are not held accountable for their sins until a certain age.
I am guessing that if he truly is referring to the younger victim, he means a willing partner. It was very common in those days and our definition of a child has changed DRASTICALLY over the years. My grandmother was a mother by the time she was 15 and that was common then, now 15 is a "child" with no mind of their own.

Answer 6

First -- Christians do not believe that a victim of a sexual crime would go to hell.

Now here is the definition of Catomite:
catamite - a boy who submits to a sexual relationship with a man (that means someone who made the choice to be in the relationship)

If you study more deeply, you will find that in bible times one was considered a child or boy until there 30's. Also -- I may suggest that you go to the original Latin text and study from there. Usually someone at an area church of Christ could assist you in finding someone with knowledge of Latin if you yourself haven't studied Latin.

Answer 7

Dear in Christ,

Neither 1 Cor 6:9 nor any other scripture condemn victims of pedophilia or rape.

The greek word here is "malakos" (#3120 in Strong's Lexicon), which means "shows softness" as compared to "masculine" or "being hard". The implication is "man who takes the role of a female in a sexual act". (It is called as "effeminate" which means make-female-of-oneself).

We cannot say a victim of pedophilia is voluntarily doing it!

A rape victim or victim of pedophilia is sinner victim in a murder is also a sinner! ALL THE MARTYRS WERE VICTIMS OF MURDER, will they also be denied entry into Kingdom of God?

May the lord add his blessings.
tomsan

Answer 8

... a lot of that is - weird..... i personally believe that everyone will get to go to heaven, but some will have to wait longer than others... very few people in this earth truly truly deserve to go to Hell, eternal torment, becuase of what they did in a few years on earth. also, that (and a lot of other things, like all those questions about stoning adulteresses) was written for a specific culture, a specific time period- a lot of things simply could not be said. also a lot of other gods had gay sex as part of their worship, so that might have been a way to make sure early christians didn't do any of that.

Finally:

Christians can not deny people access to Heaven. only God can do that.

Answer 9

The child has committed no sin. Rape is not held against the victim.
Why do you keep twisting the same words over and over?
You have posted this twice that I know of.
Can't receive an answer that suits you? Maybe it's because you aren't making any sense.

Answer 10

A Catomite was a slave who participated in homosexual activity with their masters.

This is one reason that I do not accept that homosexuality is wrong. But was an opinion by the author of the books of the Bible where it is mentioned.

A child forced to have sex should never be held accountable!

Answer 11

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." - Here is the verse -

male prostitutes, also described as "men kept for unnatural purposes." It is not clear whether the term "male prostitutes" (NIV, NRSV, CSB) is restricted to homosexuals or may also include men who are heterosexual prostitutes.

catamites, also described as "boy prostitute." This is a young male who is kept as a sexual partner of an adult male. (Jerusalem Bible, NAB, James Moffatt)

pederasts: male adults who sexually abuse boys; an abusive pedophile (an adult who molests young children) or abusive hebephile (an adult who molests post-pubertal teenagers).


Though I understand your difficuly, you need to look into the Greek word arsenokoitai for context of the writing. It does not condemn rape victims.