"People-Who-Need-to Get-a-Life" Dept. -- WHAT makes these Busybodyish WHINERS act as they do?

Question

An otherwise pretty decent U.S. society is unfortunately infested with a relatively-small (fortunately!) percentage of buttinskyish and busybodyish losers having no lives of their own, who don't even hesitate to WHINE whenever *other* people...

-- Engage in unmarried (casual) sex.
-- Choose to have abortions.
-- Seek to marry a partner of the same sex.
-- Publish and sell legal pornography.

NONE of the above are the least bit harmful to others, and therefore are NO one else's business but that of those who consentingly participate in them.

When they are asked why, they usually say they oppose such behaviors because the Bible disagrees with them.

QUESTION -- Are those self-righteous whiners **really** so dumb as to think that they are in ANY way authorized by the Bible to act as **enforcers** of that which they perceive as its precepts? Because in reality, the Bible neither appoints nor authorizes any person or group to act as a GESTAPO in its behalf.

To "Steve C" -- Not only was my question not a "rant," but if you can't see the word, "QUESTION," even when it's presented in all caps, then I guess you have a reading comprehension problem.

To the one who somehow seems to have no nickname -- the one who answered first -- you OBVIOUSLY lack reading comprehension. And possibly also a life.

To "Bill W" -- that which people do with their PERSONAL lives indeed *don't* adversely affect others. That's something that those of us who proudly and intelligently are social liberals (i.e., defenders of individual liberties) know well. And which social "conservatives" are 'way too DOLTISH to comprehend.

To "dovadave" -- YOU said, "Just don't try to push your lifestyle on someone who is uncomfortable with you. When that is done the whining happens."

This has nothing to do with "my" lifestyle. It has **everything** do do with my standing up for the personal liberties of those who DO choose to do those harmless things. My ONLY reason for properly disparaging the whiners is because they tend not to limit their whining to grousing, but ALSO usually seek to damage or destroy the liberties of others in this nation, which is SUPPOSED to be free and sensible. Long live the egalitarians -- for it is those considerate people who KEEP America free from theocracy, and the destruction of valuable personal freedoms.

Finally -- NO one "pushes" marrying same-sex partners on OTHERS. No one "pushes" the remedy of abortion on OTHERS. No one "pushes" OTHERS to buy pornography. No one "pushes" OTHERS to have casual sex. Why do you feel so **threatened** by the *personal* actions of others?

To "Leena" -- I like your answer. :)

To "Joe F" -- ***BRAVO!!!***

To "Hearts and Thoughts 2003" -- Interesting, your misperceptions. Very FEW of my questions have been deleted. In all cases, I RE-asked them shortly thereafter, because there had been NO valid reason for their deletions... and the RE-asked questions have all *survived*!

Next, you claimed to have no answer. However, you DID have an answer to another of my questions today, and I responded to you. Are you familiar with the "H" word?

Am I KIND to real-live **bigots**? Of course not, since any dolt that doesn't respect the individual liberties of millions of people don't deserve any respect themselves. Any more than their first cousins in mindless bigotry, the segregationists, did, 50 years ago. (Look what happened to THEIR agendas. They've been extinct for decades because those people were *wrong* -- and because sensible and fair-minded egalitarians OPPOSED them. History's simply repeating itself, and the outcome will be the same for the RRR Cultists.)

Answer 1

I don't care if they whine about it, that's their perogative.

You are right though, those have no affect on those so staunchly opposed. Those that claim it affects them are full of it.

Sex between 2 consenting adults - only affects those 2.
Having an abortion - only affects those that choose to have it
Same sex marriage - only affects those who marry
Pornography - only affects those that wish to view it

I also wish so many people would worry more about themselves and leave the other people alone to do as they please, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

Answer 2

And because someone holds opinions different from yours, they are "whiners," huh? I don't think so, buddy. They have a right to hold opinions, and even to express those opinions in a reasonable forum, such as this one, here.

Mostly, you're wrong to think that all of those activities are not "the least bit harmful."

1. Unmarried casual sex very often hurts the one who is in love with someone and the other person doesn't feel the same way. Yes I know that is not the case in all unmarried sex, but it is true for a large fraction of those situations. And what about the huge number of times that sort of sexual activity results in children.

2. Abortions kill another person, not just some vague collection of cells. A huge fraction of modern abortions are nothing more than an alternative to birth-control.

3. I personally have no objection to people of the same sex livign together as husband and wife, and even having virtually all the legal rights as spouses; just don't ask me to bless that union by calling it a marriage.

4. Maybe most people can handle pornography without it affecting other realtionships in their life, but a not-insignificant portion find it having serious negative affects on their marriage, even when the partner either is ignorant or even OKs it. And what about those participants who are taken advantage-of in the production of the material - yes, I know that fraction may be small, but it does exist.

I agree that no one has the right to FORCE (or even to try to force) their morals on others. But that's not the same as having the right to express beliefs against (or even to publicly condemn) such behavior.

And while the Bible does not authorize enforcers, it sure does encourage believers to admonish those in sin, and attempt to show them God's attitude toward such behavior.


Add-on (to added comments/responses to "answers")

Steve was right. The mere fact that you wrote the word "question" doesn't mean you were asking for anything but for people to agree with your comments and stroke your ego. The content WAS something of a rant, and not a question at all. Admittedly, it was a better-than-halfway-decent effort to stimulate discussion, but that is not the same as a question.

Answer 3

Its incrediable how many people missed the point of this question. It has nothing to do with whether Phil Gramm was right or wong. It is his attitude which suggest a profound lack of empathy. He is not concerned with people's struggles, whether they are based in real difficulties or resulting from their misperception of reality (e.g. how well off they really are). Even if you buy the "con", he demonstrates absolutely no concern with showing the "misguided", the error of their "whinning" ways. . His purpose is not to teach, educate or enlighten, but rather to absolve himself of any responsibility to improve conditions. In his mind, conditions don't need improving because he has what he needs and he is frustrated by his limited understanding of why so many people are bothering him with complaints about about so many things. He does not possess the mental acuity , compassion or fortitude to make even the slightest attempt to understand the people he supposedly serves. Self-awareness of such a profound failing is likely to be intolerable. As the threat intensifies, his "compassionate" facade evaporates. And his superficial respect for others is replaced it with contempt (better to project the contempt on to others rather than let it find its true target-himself! The point is that Phil Gramm should not necessarily loose our vote on the basis that he used the "W" word, but rather on the basis of his profoundly obvious lack of competence. Lets make Phil happy- lets stop whinning and vote!

Answer 4

I don't know if I should bother answering your question because your questions somehow always manage to get deleted!!

All I really wanted to say was that I find your questions utterly offensive in your description of others. Are you always this way with others who hold different opinions than you? I hope your books aren't filled with such bitter statements. I can't imagine many sales if they are.

Remember, I haven't stated my position on any of this...so don't go off on me just because I think you need a little more tact. There are classes available through Padgett and Thompson that deal with learning how to communicate with tact!!!!

Answer 5

Ok..I am going to agree with you...except on two issues...and it has nothing to do with my religous backgrounds..

Porn does hurt people when it falls into the wrong hands...i.e. children..It also does distort Some peoples views of sex..because it becomes just an act and not something special...some of it is also degrading..personally it is not my thing.

Abortion..while I do not personally support it, I do believe it is up to the woman to chose....Does hurt people emotionally, the clinics, just don't bother to tell the women about the emotional reprecussions they will eventually feel (no matter their religious backgrounds) I am not going to go into the whole its murder thing..because it isn't about my personal theologies..
Please note that I am a Christian, and I do not play Bible Gestapo...but I do believe in the Bible and Follow it and I do believe all of the things above are wrong...however, I agree that premarital sex, and same sex marriage do not harm the general population of people and in no way affect my life because I don't do either..

Answer 6

Casual sex hurts no one?
Tell that to the casual people with STDs. Regardless the fact that casual meaningless sex slowly but surely kills and deadens the heart, until it loses the sense & capacity to really love anything or anyone free of a ton of past emotional and/or physical baggage.

Abortions hurts no one?
Tell that to the 10+ million of society's most helpless and defenseless in need of protection, who suffer horribly painful deaths at the hands of the two people who they should have been able to depend upon to protect and cherish them.

Same sex marriages hurts no one?
Tell that to the majority of the gay population who have the highest self-destructive suicide, drug abuse, and AIDS deaths on the planet.

Pornography hurts no one?
Tell that to the children (male and female) sexually abused and sodomized by the very people they should be able to trust to care for and protect them (i.e., priests, parents, grandparents, relatives, friends, boyfriends, husbands, wives). Those peeping tom mentality pedophiles, parents, relatives, & friends of the family who mentally saturate & pollute their minds with visual pictures of sodomy, incest, pedophilia, bondage, beastiality, kiddy porn, S&M, and smut pictures and films of torture and death portrayed upon and against men, women, children, and enfants.

You either have never known anyone in your circle of friends, family, and acquaintenances (if you can claim any or they will claim you) who survived any or all the above "harmless experiences". You are either willfully blind or dismiss the fact that all the above forever change and damage the victims and those who love them.

I do not consider myself an enforcer nor the Gestapo, but trust me on this, if I happened upon some person abusing, beating, raping, or sodomizing a helpless weaker person, I am not going to turn a blind eye or ignore it. I will try to stop it & I will do all that is in my power to see the monster...yes I said it..."the monster(s)" (male or female) are arrested and spend their natural lives in a cage.

If that makes me an enforcer then so be it.

Answer 7

I say live and let live. If people make you uncomfortable don't deal with them. If you are true to what you do in your lifestyle it shouldn't matter what another person thinks about you. Just don't try to push your lifestyle on someone who is uncomfortable with you. When that is done the whining happens.

Answer 8

---Casual sex spreads STDs. People are being harmed.
---Abortions ARE medical surgeries. There is an inherent danger to the "mother". Others feel it is murder and as such should be banned. They might argue that someone IS being harmed.
---Pornography has harmed many women. It's an industry that has destroyed the lives of many.
---as to same sex marriages...call it a legal union as they do in europe and I don't think there will be much argument. The wording is usually the issue as marriage is a sacrament in many religions.

Not everyone has the same opinions that you do. Adults learn to listen and occasionally may change their minds. They see the shades of grey. Children can only see black and white.

Answer 9

I agree with you completely. The Church has no problem shunning divorced people (even if there was abuse) but they shuffle pedofile priests around from parish to parish to hide their crimes and afford the opportunity for multiple victims from each parish. Then they stick their collection baskets in your face twice during each mass and expect you to donate your hard earned dollars so that they may drive Cadillacs, drink wine from gold goblets and pay off priest molestation laysuits. I'm sure God is very happy with his vocational population.

Answer 10

as long as people don't point fingers or blatantly say that's wrong then their are entitled to their opinion even if you think it's a stupid opinion. This is America my friend, full of whiners put your earplugs in and let it go, it will never change