Mormons, if the book of abraham papyrus was recovered and found to be egyptian funerary text?

Question

why would the pieces that weren't recovered be anything different? They were part of the same scroll, or set of scrolls. They wouldn't have kept a "book of abraham" account on the same scrolls as the funerary text. The farms explanation of this is absurd.

from mormons: 27 responses on a question about farts, but 2 responses on a subject like this.

If that's not ignoring the issues, I don't know what is.

microbioguy: Go put your head back in your a-s-s. I'm married to a catholic.

doc, there's nothing hypothectical about my question. They papyrus was recovered and found to be a funerary text. Jospeh Smith just altered the biblical version of the abraham story.

Answer 1

FARMS should merge with the Agricultural arm of the LDS Church's holdings company, Deseret Management Corporation.

They could call it FARMSland Reserve, Inc. and put those thinking FARMS brains to some useful work, like picking cotton. Nice sort of poetically just role reversal, huh?

Edit:

Doc,

The Book of Abraham papyri were indeed found. Both scrolls were found, although the first scroll was missing the last two facsimiles. It DID contain, however, the first Facsimile along with the series of characters (which Smith claimed was near the end of his translation) that were used in his Egyptian Alphabet dictionary (which is also erroneous, by the way). Smith had claimed that one scroll was Abraham's, and that the other was Joseph's. Both scrolls were evaluated by Egyptologists inside and out of the Church, and all of them concluded that the papyri were ordinary funerary text and had nothing to do with Abraham or Joseph. A couple of the LDS Egyptologists actually left the Church over it, because (having studied Egyptian records for decades) they realized how absurd it would be for an Egyptian funerary text to suddenly break into a pseudo-monotheistic dialogue involving planets, human sacrifices, a council of gods, and the creation.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hcyzkd_m6KE

Of course, in your PoGP, the 1967 discovery of the papyri is not mentioned, and it still states that they were destroyed in a fire.

Answer 2

Obviously this is a hypothetical question. If the original papyrus that Abraham wrote were found and it turned out to be an Egyptian funerary text, then the Book of Abraham as translated by Joseph Smith, would seem to be a fake. But the question is slightly logically inconsistent. If it were the original Book of Abraham papyrus then it would be the record of Abraham, and not an Eqyptian funerary text.

Research is full of surprises. The answers aren't always obvious at the beginning. So, let me pose another hypothetical question to you. If the Book of Abraham papyrus was recovered and found to be correctly translated by Joseph Smith, would you proclaim loudly to the world that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true, and would you be a faithful member of the Mormon church? Incidentally, what would your Catholic spouse have to say about that?

Answer 3

First off, be careful with masked profanities. There are people here eager to silence opposition via the magic red flag.

I'll answer your main question:
The short answer: I don't know.

This is the main anti-LDS thing that I am reading up on right now. I've seen explanations and watched a lengthy video on the subject provided by (I believe) norrispenguin, and I've spent some time looking at the other side of the issue. I do know that there was much more than one scroll missing, which was a major point of that video.

Either way, I'll cross that bridge if it appears.

In the meantime, there's 39,000 other Christian denominations to sharpen your skills on. Have you thought about chastising Pentecostals on the "women not wearing pants" thing?

Answer 4

the photos are what Joseph Smith translated extremely some the e book of Abraham from (via his very own admission), and the photos have been extra or much less intact. the main accepted thought (consisting of Mormon pupils) is that the 18-20 inches that have been discovered are the areas seen "proper" via Joseph Smith, and that something became discarded, because of fact it became "ineffective". in spite of everything, Joseph mentioned no longer something approximately Horus whilst he 'translated' the e book. additionally, the papyri have been shown to this ingredient from with regard to the 2nd century advert, extra suitable than 2000 years after the Abrahamic era. An prognosis of the e book of breathings shows egyptian customs of that ingredient, and not from the time of Abraham. additionally, the areas of the papyri that Joseph copied to coach human beings "what he had translated" are discovered on those papyri. This added confirms the thought those 18 inches of papyrus became what Joseph 'translated' the e book from.

Answer 5

Dane, I think realistically the point is: Why would a scribe tasked with making sure the spirit of Horus would be granted the same privileges of life here as in the afterlife ("breathing" for one), then suddenly break into a dialog about the untold story of Abraham? This was supposedly proofread by other priests to make sure Horus had permissions and blessings granted to him thru Anubis, and that no errors or misinterpretations accompanied the mummy.

The FARMS account is pure conjecture that has no basis for anyone to consider. Do you actually believe a distinctive and exclusive priesthood would allow that kind of malignment of a fellow priest?

What happens if the baptism or sacrament prayer is not said correctly? Can you slip in "And please help me with my home teaching" in it?

There are some great minds at the Maxwell Institute, but this is not their best effort.

Answer 6

I don't know much about Egyptian burials. But if there was more than one scroll inside with the mummies, whose to say they were related at all. Maybe the writings of Abraham were really important to one of those Egyptians and they wanted to be buried with it. If I remember correctly the Egyptians, depending on how important they were in this life, were buried with food, servants, and other things that would help them in the next life. Maybe he/she wanted those writings to help out. Just a thought.

Answer 7

From everything that has been written by those who actually saw the original papyri, we only have a small percentage of what Joseph Smith had to translate from.

Answer 8

Dr. Hugh Nibly wrote a great dissertation on this subject. You should look it up.

After that.. go pick on a catholic for a while :o)

Answer 9

A lot of FARMS explanations are absurd....What's your point?