Are goats harmed too?

Question

I already am pretty sure that goats go through the same torture cows and other animals go through, to get the cheese from them, and I'm going vegan. My mom got me a goat cheese pizza, but goats are hurt too aren't they?
Just tell me if they are or aren't, thanks

Answer 1

I have a friend who breeds goats for milk. She absolutely loves those goats. They have a heated indoor area and a nice paddock. She hand extracts the milk and does not seperate the babies from the mummy goats too soon. The goats are treated with kindness and respect and she tries hard to place older goats as pets. not every goat has this life. Organic goats may but it depends on the farm. You will have to hunt baout for a goat friendly farmer. Eggs are the same - I know people who look after their chickens and only have a few but the commercial "free range" egg industry arenot a snice to their chickens again look about.

Answer 2

Well the whole thing about being vegan is that you consume nothing from an animal.
Even if goat milk goats lived in goat paradise, on a sunny island with plenty of other goats and tons of fun goat stuff to do...
The goat cheese would not be vegan simply because it came from an animal.
Hope that helps.

Answer 3

If someone is selling goat's milk it means they use goats as property - and goats are not property. Goats make their milk for their babies - NOT for some farmer to make a profit.

Answer 4

Well, goats produce milk for their babies, just like cows, just like humans. The goats may not be treated as horribly as cows enslaved for their milk are, but I don't think it's right that someone takes the milk that belongs to their babies for human use.

Answer 5

Get a life! Or you will turn out like the two fools like Marina and Veggie Tart. Being some kind of vegan will turn you into an airhead. Listen to Mom.

No goats are not "hurt". They have been milked for centuries . . . probably longer than cows. And the idiotic idea that their "milk" should be used for thier babies ... they can feed their "kids" because that's what they call baby goats and still have plenty left over.

Goat cheese and goat milk is very, very nutricious.

Answer 6

i think vegans arent supposed to eat any dairy products -no milk and no cheese no wateva but i dont think they are hurt until they go to the meat market

Answer 7

of course they're hurt!

hahah. wow skully you sound so uneducated. thanks for the laugh.

yes, the milk they produce are for their babies not humans, you moron.
you should do some research before you say something so idiotic. animal milk is NOT for humans and animal milk is terrible for the human body.
skully why don't you educate yourself and stop believing what your mom and the media have told you and think for yourself. like I said do some research, sounds like you really need it.

Answer 8

You could eat it if you like, but unless you know the people that raised the goats and made the cheese, I doubt they were treated with the respect that any animal deserves. Even if they were treated nicely, goat cheese is never vegan. The goats make the milk for their babies and animals that are bred to make more milk than normal become uncomfortable from the added size of their mammary tissue and pressure that they experience. They do have cheese alternatives and if you have the time and resources available you could learn to make your own.

There have been vegan Olympic gold medalists and a vegan woman can create an ENTIRELY NEW,HEALTHY HUMAN BEING INSIDE OF HER. Many of these children stay vegan and grow up to be perfectly healthy adults. So just keep yourself educated about what you eat and don't let anyone tell you that a veg diet is lacking anything essential.
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That is great that you are thinking of becoming vegan. My biggest word of advice is to study a balanced vegan diet and learn how to cook/prepare everything that you will need to keep yourself satisfied BEFORE you start to label yourself as vegan. This is important in keeping yourself healthy and working towards a fit body that can redefine vegan stereotypes.

Your journey as vegetarian was just the beginning of a longer one to a plant-based diet with no animal products. This should be due to the reality of factory farming in which animals that are kept alive to produce milk, eggs, etc suffer much more and longer than animals that are raised to a certain weight and then slaughtered.http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/
http://meat.org
Some people use the word "vegan" in reference to this idea, but be aware that applying that label to yourself should always come with the inclusion of wise activism and advocacy.http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/index.html
Two extremely important examples of this are that you should never speak to someone about vegetarianism/veganism without their consent and genuine interest or as a comment on what they are eating AND your dietary beliefs should never be used as an introduction or explanation of who you are as a person. Veg*ism should be something that comes up AFTER people get to know you and they offer you a situation that makes it confusing to withhold the information/discussion. Also, if you are presented something that you choose not to eat or you are
ordering food/eating together somewhere/picking the best place to eat.

A responsible vegan ALWAYS studies the subject of their own health and how to keep their body completely provided for in every sense. http://www.veganhealth.org/sh
To neglect their body is to define a plant-based diet as unhealthy and is the opposite of helping the animals.

When you you hold off on the subject until it's necessary and then act like it isn't a big deal at all, people are usually surprised and WAY more interested and curious than if you were to bring it up when someone's eating or just using it as a conversation starter.

A balanced plant-based diet includes grains(breads, pasta, rice,cereal), legumes(soy, beans, peas, lentils), fruit and vegetables.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/vsk/food_groups.html
http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/
http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/eating.html
Being vegan can be an art, one whose challenge is to take things that involve the suffering of the innocent and change them into something free of cruelty.

A vegan woman can create an ENTIRELY NEW,HEALTHY HUMAN BEING INSIDE OF HER. Many of these children stay vegan and grow up to be perfectly healthy adults. So just keep yourself educated about what you eat and don't let anyone tell you that a veg diet is lacking anything essential.

Technically the term "vegetarian" does imply that you don't consume anything that comes from the body of an animal that requires killing it. Many ingredients such as gelatin and glycerin are found in many candies, Fig-Newtons, and many of other foods as well as rennet found in many cheeses.
http://www.happycow.net/health-animal-ingredients.html
The best thing to remember is to take your time so that for example: when you are comfortable not eating whey and casein you can then give up sodium stearoyl lactylate and L-cysteine when you are sure you can make the commitment permanently.
Depending on your age or reliance on parents or regional options, it may not be best to give yourself a label. The important thing is to do your best to make progress and be committed to your compassion towards animals. Never put your focus onto what you or other people use to describe yourself.

If you meet someone that talks down to people for eating meat, dairy, etc or to you because they think they are "more veg" than you, laugh in their face and tell them they are a disgrace to the entire philosophy. People like this only hurt the idea of veg*ism AND the animals. The point of all of this is to live compassionately and and as free from cruelty as you can, all the while maintaining your health and a positive attitude. People who don't maintain either, need not open their mouths and represent our beliefs.

If you actually choose to read all of this, I hope it helps. If not, feel free to e-mail me if you have questions.

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I'm vegan and these are some of my favorite things to eat:

Breakfast: bananas, cream of wheat with brown sugar and soy butter, cereal, pancakes or french toast with real maple syrup, vegan "sausage" patties, smoothies.

Lunch: VEGAN "SAUSAGE" SANDWICHES, sandwiches with vegan deli slices(Tofurkey is the only one that's kinda funky), fruit, dinner leftovers, couscous salad, vegan sushi, potato or pasta salad.

Dinner: sloppy joes, "sausage" and gravy with homemade biscuits, Spaghetti and Trader Joe's "meatballs" or TVP, lasagna, Thai pad see ew, pad khi mao(drunkard's noodles), pad prig king, tofu+eggplant with basil sauce, yellow thai curry with tofu or vegan chikn and veggies and jasmine rice, Indian dal with homemade roti or dosai, channa masala, aloo gobi, vegetable or minestrone soup, pizza, STEAMED "PORK" BUNS with potstickers or spring rolls, sweet&sour/orange/lemon chikn, vegan pho or wonton soup

I use these sites to find recipes:
http://www.foodnetwork.com
http://vegweb.com
http://www.recipezaar.com

Answer 9

i think it depends on the farm.

Answer 10

no herded