Have evangelicals come to the end of the road.?

Question

From what I can see it is clear that the Catholic church is the one true church, while evangelicals can be saved they do not get the full access of the grace of god because they are not part of Jesus chruch (Catholic)

So when will all these prodical children come home. We will need to build some more churches.

I find it strange that some uneducated evangelical quotes from the bible and then from the 10 commandments.

Folks, the catholic church gave you the bible, they put it together for you. they have a better understanding that you.

You get yours from the local store they get theirs from the original text.

Please, dont you think that Catholics have gone through every part of the bible for the last 1700 years.

Answer 1

Yes.

Answer 2

"From what I can see it is clear that the Catholic church is the one true church...."
Opinions such as this are a dime a dozen. Come back with some facts to back this up and maybe some of us will consider them.

"while evangelicals can be saved they do not get the full access of the grace of god because they are not part of Jesus chruch (Catholic)"
Still more opinion. In just what verse does Jesus call the Catholic church his?

"So when will all these prodical children come home..."
I'm not a prodigal of the RCC since I was never a member.

"I find it strange that some uneducated evangelical quotes from the bible and then from the 10 commandments."
Coming from someone who has a hard time spelling "church" and "prodigal"....

"Folks, the catholic church gave you the bible"
Odd, I thought that was God who did that.

"they put it together for you"
Nope, the apostolic fathers did that.

"they have a better understanding that you...."
Not from what you've shown us.

"You get yours from the local store they get theirs from the original text."
As if there aren't any Protestants that haven't studied the original texts....

Answer 3

I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it and not at all how you say it.

Protestants are NOT the Prodigal children, they know Jesus and believe, we should be kind in our words for our Protestant Brothers and Sisters.

We are supposed to treat others with Love and Respect. I was a Protestant that converted to Catholicism, and if all Catholics (Or many) made their case like you just did, I would still be Protestant.

Please be more careful about how you use your words.

Peace and May God Bless all of you!

Answer 4

A Lutheran in favor of the "Tridentine" Mass

From Kath.net. I translated the article.

Early in 2007, a number of prominent German intellectuals, novelists and playwrights signed a manifesto in support of the liberalization of the "Tridentine" Mass. Among them were Botho Strauss, Ulla Hahn, Martin Mosebach ("The heresy of formlessness") and also a Protestant philosophy professor by the name of Edith Duesing. She had the following to say about the classical rite:

1. The old Latin Mass is characterized by its high aesthetical quality and belongs to Europe's world cultural heritage which, just like the music of Monteverdi, must not be tossed on the ash heap of history. To preserve tradition is more important than ever, because we are in danger to forget the best in a haze of consumerism: the awe of God and the respect for the infinite worth of each human being.

As an evangelical (Lutheran) philosopher I welcome similar efforts of evangelical high church circles aiming for an "upgrade" of liturgical forms against the "heresy of formlessness". Even Goethe, long ago, missed sacramental consequence and fullness in the Lutheran service. To turn liturgy into an area for experimentation trivializes its symbolic content and contradicts the dignity of Christian worship which needs a firm, grown form which cannot be manipulated ad libitum. The lack of Biblical and Reformation substance in many Lutheran homilies with its embarrassing pseudo-contemporary allusions is even more painful when the liturgy has been "emptied" as well.

3. To me, true church is where a sacred room is able to inspire awe in a person entering it, by means of symbols, words and spiritually inspiring music.

4. Friendship and empathy with Christbelieving Catholics is something I proclaimed by this signature for the now reinstated Latin Mass. Pious preservation does not mean a fixation on and restoration of an archaic heritage but faithfulness to that which has been entrusted to us as the most precious and a demand for pluralism against a forced uniformity. This, the Lutheran church lacks time and again, when it, in a sort of "obedience in advance" to the zeitgeist, moves from adapting to submission and from submission to intolerance against its own faithul. A liberalism that in the end undoes itself, in which anything goes but no one is allowed to say a "Dominus dixit", leads the church into the chasm of societal and world historical untrustworthiness which it prepared itself.

5. May the bravery of faith of the Lutherans catch the fire of the Catholic siblings in the Lord and may both churches, in the fight against alienation from God of the European (and other) peoples which takes on ever more cruel forms, radiate the most humane warmth and give to the world the one healing light of the Triune God.

Answer 5

Provide a scriptural basis for this statement. The Bible does not back up what you claim.

Edit:

"I find it strange that some uneducated evangelical quotes from the bible and then from the 10 commandments."

I am guessing you meant from the "New Testament" then from the Ten Commandments. I would generally agree with you although sometimes a specific application makes sense for clarification. God's character has not changed between Old and New only the manner of obtaining Salvation. He still loves and hates the same things.

"Folks, the catholic church gave you the bible, they put it together for you. they have a better understanding that you."
Wrong. Once again, I am waiting for you to use scripture to back up what you say. Give scriptural examples of these "errors" and then contrast them with Catholic practice.

"You get yours from the local store they get theirs from the original text."
Wrong as well.

"Please, dont you think that Catholics have gone through every part of the bible for the last 1700 years"
There are many historical accounts of Catholics (including Popes) living lives of sin (as there are every other denomination). Catholicism cannot count itself more righteous in its application (in general) than any other. People are people. The age of the organization does not impart truth either to itself or its believers. You can look to other, older, false religions for the truth of that.

Again, what you say is meaningless without scriptural arguments to back it up.

Answer 6

Unity (as a Mark of the Church)

The marks of the Church are certain unmistakeable signs, or distinctive characteristics which render the Church easily recognizable to all, and clearly distinguish it from every other religious society, especially from those which claim to be Christian in doctrine and origin. That such external signs are necessary to the true Church is plain from the aim and the purpose which Christ had in view when He made His revelation and founded a Church. The purpose of the redemption was the salvation of men. Hence, Christ made known the truths which men must heed and obey. He established a Church to which He committed the care and the exposition of these truths, and, consequently He made it obligatory on all men that they should know and hear it (Matthew 18:17). It is obvious that this Church, which takes the place of Christ, and is to carry on His work by gathering men into its fold and saving their souls, must be evidently discernible to all. There must be no doubt as to which is the true Church of Christ, the one which has received, and has preserved intact the Revelation which He gave it for man's salvation. Were it otherwise the purpose of the Redemption would be frustrated, the blood of the Saviour shed in vain, and man's eternal destination at the mercy of chance. Without doubt, therefore, Christ, the all-wise legislator, impressed upon His Church some distinctive external marks by which, with the use of ordinary diligence, all can distinguish the real Church from the false, the society of truth from the ranks of error. These marks flow from the very essence of the Church; they are properties inseparable from its nature and manifestive of its character, and, in their Christian and proper sense, can be found in no other institution. In the Formula of the Council of Constantinople (A.D. 381), four marks of the Church are mentioned -- unity, sanctity, Catholicity, Apostolicity -- which are believed by most theologians to be exclusively the marks of the True Church.



That the mark of unity which is distinctive of and essential to the true Church of Christ is to be found in none other than the Roman Catholic Church, follows naturally from what has been said. All the theories of unity entertained by the sects are woefully out of harmony with the true and proper concept of unity as defined above and as taught by Christ, the Apostles, and all orthodox Tradition. In no other Christian body is there a oneness of faith, of worship, and of discipline. Between no two of the hundreds of nonCatholic sects is there a common bond of union; each one having a different head, a different belief, a different cult. Nay more, even between the members of any one sect there is no such thing as real unity, for their first and foremost principle is that each one is free to believe and do as he wishes. They are constantly breaking up into new sects and subdivisions of sects, showing that they have within themselves the seeds of disunion and disintegration. Divisions and subdivisions have ever been the characteristics of Protestantism. This is certainly a literal fulfilment of the words of Christ: "Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted shall be rooted up" (Matthew 15:13); and "every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand" (Matthew 12:25).

Answer 7

No, I feel that they have not.

If you feel that you are being persecuted by Protestants, please do not reflect that hatred and ignorance onto us. Not all Protestants hate Catholics. I am one of those Protestants who respects Catholicism and I stand up for Catholics when I can.

Some of us may find truths in the Catholic Church and cross that Tiber, but most of us will continue believing in our Protestant faith. Once again, please do not make assumptions about our faith, because not all of us make assumptions about yours.

Answer 8

No, I don't believe they've come to the end of the road. They're still attracted more and more members where as the Catholic Church continues to lose members. Perhaps the reason we continue to lose members who, more than likely go over to the Evangelicals, is because of arrogant, misinformed people like yourself.

Answer 9

Quite possibly

Answer 10

Easter, first hoy communion, confirmation, christening, popes, vow of poverty, worshiping saints, and an obedient woman, yeah, that's "the one true church!

The FIRST commandment...
Exodus 20:1-11
1 And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

and the second commandment...

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Dude, you're 0 for 2!
God HATES all religion!

Answer 11

The way things are going, you might have to sell some churches to pay for those embarrassing lawsuits? I invite you to my church.