Some nuts think part of the US belongs to Mexico.Are they willing to give Mexico back to Spain or Guatemala?

Question

Mexico stole California for example from Spain, who in turn stole it from the Indian tribes that lived in California at the time. There were never any mexicans in California (not one) before Mexico stole the land from Spain or the California Indians. Also The Russians had settlements that were in turn taken by Mexico so the claim that California some how is part of Mexico by right is really silly but I'd love to hear what the illegal immigration crowd that supports this fantasy of Mexico having a moral right to California thinks.

Would they give it back to the Indians and have all those of Mexican and European descent leave the State to the few remaining native people?

By the Way both Spain and even France could make a claim for all of Mexico now if they support turning the land back to the "real" owners.

Where would it stop? Don't forget that 150 years before the Spanish came to Mexico that the Aztecs were stealing land form the Mayans in the South of Mexico...

Britney a; my question isn't about race it's about land claims being made by illegal immigrants.

However this group (illegal immigrant zealots) are extremely racist. La Raza for example directly translates to; "The Race". This is a racist hispanic organization.

I'm married to a LEGAL immigrant of color so I just want to be clear: it isn't racist to want to keep your own land and tax money.

It is racist I believe to make a claim that the US belongs in any way to Mexico.

Answer 1

Well, let's see....parts of the present-day United States used to belong to Mexico...which used to belong to Spain...which used to belong to the Holy Roman Empire, the Moors before them, and the Romans before them...and I'm not really sure past that.
On the other hand, it used to be in the hands of the Aztecs...and current evidence supports the claim that people skirted down the coast of North and South America after having originally made it across the Bering Strait from present-day Russia.

The premise of all of this "return the land to the original owners" nonsense is that no one group actually originally "owned" the land. Just because some ancient agronomers worked an area does not make it "theirs". The people who feel this way need to learn to accept reality for what it is and get over it.

Answer 2

Sorry to focus on Brittney and DJ but I want to interject myself into their argument.
Yes that book was written by a racist, but, many of his facts are true, only his personal speculations are in doubt.
In addition to what he mentioned in the link, there is the Medicine wheel, the Desert drawings and the mounds in the mid west.
If you ask any of the Native historians who created these wonders, they will tell you they don't know. Some will tell you it was "Those who came before."
My own native ancestors came down from what is now Canada in the 1400's and took where I live from the early Lakotas before they became a power.
My point is to go back even further than the questioner and expand on his statements.
No one really knows who was here first, no one really knows who came from anywhere originaly, the world was settled and populated by war and invasion, no one is innocent and someone can always make a counter claim to any area.
In some cases the people living in an area win and they keep it, in others they lose and the invaders keep it, that is how the world works.
The United States is not immune to this, it is a pattern as old as humans.
We are only 230 years old as an established country, how many countries in each of your lifetiimes have you seen change leaders or even have major population/ethnic shifts?
What is being done by the Mexicans is a normal part of world activity and is to be expected.
Our resistance is also normal and to be expected. Only the future will tell who will win, I do not believe it can be settled without violence. And I for one will fight and defend my country, it is the right of any country which wishes to continue to exist.

Answer 3

Supporters of illegals say that we are all immigrants, except for the American Indians. They also say that this land is theirs since America stole the southwest from Mexico and that this is their land. BULL!

The ancestors of Mexico were not in the area that is called America. Aztecs and Mayans were in SOUTH AMERICA. The American Indians were a different group that had been here long before Mexico existed. They also claim that we are all Americans since we live on the North American continent. There is a difference between America the country and North America the Continent!

I wish they would stop saying that we stole their land and that this is their country. It's a lie.

Answer 4

This could be kinda complicated for one you'd have to figure who legally owns Spain and France cause they got stole a couple of times too. Then on this side we got the problem that the Cal." Indians" arn't neccesarilly the original owners either. some very early skulls and what not dont lend themselves forensically, to being related to the Current"Native Americans"

Answer 5

Couldn't let this answer go to DJ's response.
Arthur Kemp who wrote “March of the Titans: The History of the White Race”is a South African white supremacist who espouses the Nordicist doctrine. How is that for your hero!
spqr_us, sorry that wasn't directed at you but with that answer by dj sounded like it was indeed about race with reference to a popular white nationalist historian.DJ the evidence you say doesn't make it false but his evidence doesn't make it true either. It is widely known the Nazi's planted artifacts.
spqr_us, remember the French that sold land in America to the USA when the French so called "owned" it? I don't see anyone selling or returning part of North America to anyone.

Answer 6

Hey, would Anglo Americans give all of The United States to Native Americans? I strongly doubt it. This land (The whole American Continent) belongs to the people that inhabit it, that have grown in this land, that work the land. My ancestors (Spanish and Native Americans, Mestizos) kicked the Spaniards and French out of here for the same exact reason the Pilgrims came to this land. I find that argument totally Illogical coming from a rece that almost literally masacred another.

Answer 7

The Treaty of Hildago, it's on the net, look it up. The site for Yale University has it, that's where I found it.
Interesting read, it also says we,the USA or Mexico can build whatever we need for our respective defense, like maybe a fence!
Viva Zapata

Answer 8

http://www.white-history.com/hwr6b.htm
I wonder what they would think about this. According to their logic they should leave as we are the natives (or as native as anyone else making claims). We were just reclaiming the land of our long ago ancestors. So called Native Americans have tried to suppress this information. And considering that I am also part Native American in the traditional use of the term, I'm getting really tired of being told to go back to Europe, a place that I've never been.

For Britney: I didn't say he was my hero. Regardless of his beliefs that doesn't make the evidence false.

Answer 9

If they want it, let them come on their mules with their rifles loaded...I know I've got mine ready to fight, but they prefer to sneak in like roaches in the night.

All I know is this:

If we end up giving Cali "back" to those who claim to have "rights" to it, I will only allow it if every high rise is leveled, if all sewage systems are destroyed, if the ports are left in rubble and if a damn is placed in every river that runs through another state into Cali. Let them have the desert as it was when it was supposedly theirs...not the well developed land with infrastructure that AMERICANS made it...they cannot even provide in their own country what we have here.

Answer 10

I think all of this is stupid . If anything America would probably absorb mexico and call it a day.