For centuries the Holy Spirit had inspired the Church to pray for the "pefidious Jews" that God would remove the "veil" from their hearts. Perfidious means "faithless"! This is an description of the modern Talmudic Jew. So why remove what the Holy Spirit had inspired?
In the Good Friday liturgy prior to 1959, the prayer for the conversion of the Jewish people read:
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"For the conversion of the perfidious Jews. Let us pray also for the Jews that the Lord our God may take the veil from their hearts and that they also may acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ.
Let us pray: Almighty and everlasting God, you do not refuse your mercy even to the Jews; hear the prayers which we offer for the blindness of that people so that they may acknowledge the light of your truth, which is Christ, and be delivered from their darkness. "
Why would the Vatican violate centuries and millennium of Holy Spirit inspired prayers? What influence did the Jews have over John Paul XXIII?
2007-07-25 05:16:38 · 10 answers · asked by jeremiahjjjjohnson 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The church needed to borrow money and it was having a negative impact on their creditworthiness.
2007-07-25 05:21:28 · answer #1 · answered by Peter D 7 · 0⤊ 4⤋
Faithless is only one definition of "perfidious" and an incomplete one at that. It means deliberately faithless, treacherous, guilty, etc. No matter how it was meant in the liturgy (and centuries of poor treatment of Jews by the Catholic church suggests it was malevolent) it is what people hear that is important. When people hear "perfiidious" they think only of negative connotations.
2014-04-27 01:37:41 · answer #2 · answered by Howard 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Beats me, I'm Orthodox. We pray for everyone outside the Church and everyone who has left or rejected the Church. We don't refer specifically to the perfidious Jews, though. The Eastern Orthodox Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom and St. Basil the Great are clearly at least as ancient the Western Liturgies.
I could, perhaps, be wrong. I haven't exactly taken the time to do extensive research on this topic. I don't remember ever saying perfidious Jew in Church though.
I don't know what the Western Liturgies contain. I remember being upset, though, when the Antiochian Church decided to omit the catechumen prayers. Catechises in the Orthodox Church has always involved being prayed over specifically by the Church (among many other things that are involved in catechises) so that those being catechized would begin their struggle against the corruption of the passions.
2007-07-25 05:26:51 · answer #3 · answered by Josias B 2 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Definition Of Perfidious
2016-11-01 12:25:47 · answer #4 · answered by awad 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
After World War II and the Holocaust where the Jews were unmercifilly tortured, experimented on, baked, roasted and exterminated in great number, the Catholic Church being a wise mother, saw this great act of barbarism.
The Bishops and the Popes from Pope Pius XI, Pius XII, and John XXIII wanted to reach out to the Jews.
Pope Pius XII said in one of his encyclicals, I don't remember which one, have to look it up in Denziger, that we were all responsible for the death of Christ, not just the Jews. Sin is collective and applies to all mankind. No one is sinless and because of that sinfulness, we all helped crucify the Lord of Glory.
In Novus Ordo the prayers for the Jews are still in the Triduum liturgy. But the church wanted to play down the tone of blaming the jews as "Killers of God."
Vatican II used the total "Older brethren" because of the inheritance from Abraham as mentioned in the Roman Canon of Eucharistic Prayer I or the Tridentine Mass.
The Church still prays for the Jews, but "perfidious" made them seem devious. An unfortunate inherited old prejudice looks upon the Jews as "devious" and this is what the Church was correcting.
2007-07-25 21:00:11 · answer #5 · answered by hossteacher 3 · 4⤊ 2⤋
Don't know if your quote is correct. They retained their Latin liturgy a long time. I once went to a medieval liturgy compline service where they prayed to protect against ghosts and terrors of the night. It was so strange to a modern ear.
2007-07-25 05:42:33 · answer #6 · answered by Cader and Glyder scrambler 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Christianity evolves with the times to suit society. Further evidence that it is nothing more than a mind control cult that does not hold any universal truths.
2007-07-25 05:20:50 · answer #7 · answered by bongernet 3 · 3⤊ 4⤋
Hmm...well, maybe because the term "perfidious" is a tad anti-Semitic. Ya think?
If you must keep posting on YA, please try to come up with something novel. You are capable of independent thinking, right?
2007-07-25 09:15:27 · answer #8 · answered by Mark S, JPAA 7 · 2⤊ 4⤋
Have you ever confessed your antisemitism?
2007-07-25 05:21:03 · answer #9 · answered by Dr 8'lls 4 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Can you say......... INFILTRATION
Man, you dont know the half of it.
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2007-07-25 05:20:44 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 2⤋