Protestants: How will you go from being imperfect...?

Question

...at the time of your death to being perfect in Heaven?

>>No one is perfect my dear. Only Jesus was perfect and sinless.<<

blondiebaptist, you don't believe those in Heaven are perfect? Do you think there is rape, murder, and child molestation in Heaven just as on earth?

>>How will you go from being imperfect?<<

I believe God will purify me.

>>In heaven, there is no sin<<

blondiebaptist, why is there no sin? Will God take away our free will?

Answer 1

Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)

In the 16th c., Luther, reacting to serious abuses and clerical corruption in the Latin Church, to his own heretical theological vision (see articles on sola scriptura and sola fide), and, frankly, to his own inner demons, removed those books from the canon that lent support to orthodox doctrine, relegating them to an appendix. Removed in this way were books that supported such things as prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45), Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7), intercession of dead saints (2 Maccabees 15:14), and intercession of angels as intermediaries (Tobit 12:12-15)



Purgatory is not Hell minus a few torments and degrees Fahrenheit; it's not Heaven minus joy. It's not a "Third Final Destination" of souls. Purgatory is simply the place where already saved souls are cleansed of the temporal effects of sin before they are allowed to see the holy face of Almighty God. Revelation 21:27 tells us that "...nothing unclean will enter [Heaven]."

Answer 2

No one is perfect my dear. Only Jesus was perfect and sinless. I will go to Heaven when I die because of God's grace and that I am saved, nothing I have done or earned. How will you go from being imperfect?

Edit: I believe God's love and grace will cleanse anyone who repents, no one is perfect. In heaven, there is no sin, so that's a moot point. There is no pit stop, though, once you die, you go to Heaven or Hell, that simple.

Answer 3

The Book of Revelation reminds us that the liars (lying is not ordinarily a serious matter for mortal sin) will not enter heaven. The saved who have lied but not permitted themselves to be purged by Grace in this life must be in the nest.

Answer 4

for kait

"The catholic church..by the sacred scriptures....has taught in sacred councils...that there is a purgatory, and that the souls therein detained, are helped by all the prayers of the faithful, but principally by the acceptable sacrifice of the altar." Council of trent. Councils by definition are called when a controversy arises and the church then takes teachings that already exists and categorizes them as doctrines so that future controversies are avoided. they dont invent new teachings, they qualify exxisting ones.

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This isnt just argued it is supported by the writings of the early church fathers and oral traditions. By the way it is Ireneus not iranians and tortellinni is a pasta I believe!

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there are a host of other old testament scriptures never referred to by the new testament writers.

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scholars have agreed that a vast majority of the quotes attributed to christ in the gospels come from the septuagint text which contained these books.

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Augustine said" these books were received from the Fathers and it is observed by the universal church"

If jerome were against it why would he bother translating it? because Jerome like any others was not the final arbiter of such judgement, after discussion the pope makes the binding decrees"
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There were two old testaments in circulation, the septuagint and the palestinian canon, because the christians accepted the septuagint, the jews decided on the palestinian cannon that didnt have these books. coneveniently , luther and others decided to take the palestinian and broke the new testament creed not to take away anything from scripture.

Even after Moses was forgiven By God, he was still punished for his sin(2 Kings or 2 samuel 12:13-14)
1 corinthians 3:15 mentions a soul being saved "yet so as by fire" the bible also distinguishes between those who enter heaven straightaway calling them "the church of the first born" and those who enter after having undergone a purgation calling them "the spirits of the just made perfect" (Hebrews 12:23) "Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence until thou repay the last farthing" (matt 5:26) "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgement." (Matt 12:36) "there shall not enter into it anything defiled" (REv. 21:27) Christ compels us to be perfect as our heavenly father is perfect. (Matthew 5:48) Paul makes a similar argement as in maccabees about praying for the dead in 1 Cor 15:29 "Otherwise , what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?" this indicates prayer and fasting for the dead. see 2 timothy 1 :16-18 where paul is praying for onesiphorus.

can anyone say they are perfect? Ancient christian tomb inscriptions regularly call for prayers for the dead as that was a common practice among the jews, particularly ones found with idols as the verse in maccabees describes. this all plays into the communion of saints where all are alive in christ and we pray for each others to free each other from the bondage of sin. even today if someone commits small crimes they receive a punishment before they are released. If God is just and nothing undefiled shall enter heaven then His justice would mean that we must be cleansed by fire to enter into theheavenly abode.

Answer 5

Is it possible for one to repent sufficiently at the time of death to merge with God?

".......Like that, in the final stage of life, at the time of the death rattle, it is the old reels that will be playing back for him. It is the things that happened in the past that he will be remembering. At that time he will not be aware enough to ask God for forgiveness. He will not remember to ask about what is to follow. Therefore, earlier on, while there is still time, he must keep on asking for forgiveness with each breath. "

http://www.bmf.org/wisdom/tauba.html


"That baby's state, God's state, must come at the end. The original baby is God's baby, the baby that reveals and explains wisdom. Those baby qualities and actions must be there in the end. But the time in between babyhood and the end-that is hell. It is the story of the world that is in you now, and that is what the baby is trying to show you.

So if, at the end, you can regain that same state of babyhood that was in you at birth, if you can regain those same qualities, then you will commune once again with God. You will embrace everyone, as a baby does, showing the same love for all without any differences. Only that infant state will earn you the right to speak with God. That is the quality we start off with, and we must end up with the same quality."
From:

http://www.bmf.org/wisdom/path-begin.html

Answer 6

If accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, and truly repent and ask for forgiveness of your sins, God will forget your sins, you will be able to enter the gates of Heaven. GOD IS GOOD!

Answer 7

Our sins are forgiven because of the sacrifice of Christ. All who place their faith in Christ will be saved. And I'm not talking about mere belief, but rather true, living Faith.

Answer 8

First Corinthians 13:10-12 declares, “but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.”

When shall we see face to face? When shall we know fully, even as we are fully known? This will occur when we pass from this life and enter God’s glorious presence in Heaven. First John 3:2 tells us, “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.” It is when we are glorified in Heaven that we will truly have put childish ways behind us.

Recommended Resource: Satisfied by the Promise of the Spirit by Thomas Edgar.


" The Apocrypha refers to 14 or 15 books of doubtful authenticity and authority that the Roman Catholics decided belonged in the Bible sometime following the Protestant Reformation. The Catholic Council of Trent (1545-1563) canonized these books. This canonization took place largely as a result of the Protestant Reformation. Indeed, Luther had criticized the Catholics for not having scriptural support fur such doctrines as praying for the dead. By canonizing the Apocrypha (which offers support for praying for the dead in 2 Macabese 23:45-46), the Catholics suddenly had "scriptural" support for this and other distinctively Catholic doctrines.
Roman Catholics argue that the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament) contained the Apocrypha. As well, church fathers like Iranians, Tortellini, and Clement of Alexandria used the apocryphal books in public worship and accepted them as Scripture. Further, it is argued, St. Augustine viewed these books as inspired.
Protestants respond by pointing out that even though some of the Apocryphal books may have been alluded to in the New Testament, no New Testament writer EVER quoted from ANY of these books as holy Scripture or gave them the slightest authority as inspired books. Jesus and the disciples virtually ignored these books, something that wouldn't have been the case if they had considered them to be inspired.
Moreover, even though certain church fathers spoke approvingly of the Apocrypha, there were other early church fathers - notable Origin and Jerome - who denied their inspiration. Further, even though the early Augustine acknowledged the Apocrypha, in his later years he rejected these books as being outside the canon and considered them inferior to the Hebrew Scriptures.
The Jewish Council of Jamie, which met in A.D. 90, rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture. Combine all this with the fact that there are clear historical errors in the Apocrypha (especially those relating to Obit) and the fact that it contains unbiblical doctrines (like praying for the dead), and it is clear that these books do not belong in the Bible. In addition, unlike many of the biblical books, THERE IS NO CLAIM IN ANY APOCRYPHAL BOOK IN REGARD TO DIVINE INSPIRATION.

Answer 9

For those of us who placed their faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord, their sanctification will be complete when their Saviour, Jesus Christ, is revealed in heaven. It is nothing that they did; rather, the salvation through Christ's payment of His life for our sins and the transforming power of the Holy Spirit in their lives.

Chist did it all for us.

Answer 10

Purgatory mwahaha