Creationists: can we clear things up a little here?

Question

Darwin did NOT recant on his deathbed.

There are PLENTY of transitional forms around.

There are PLENTY of verified prehuman fossils.

Numerous dating methods have ALL aged the earth as many billions of years old.

There is NO evidence which conclusively proves that there must have been a global flood.

Experiments with a mixture of chemicals have led to the formation of semi-organic molecules, which, with a long enough timeframe, could go on to form LIFE.

An experiment with two groups of fruit flies caused a NEWS SPECIES to be formed, which was unable to breed with the old species.

There are NO serious biologists who support ID.

There is NO evidence which proved ID exclusively.

There is PLENTY of evidence which proves evolution exclusively.

It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, evolution is still FACT.

All of this is true.

You can continue to believe in Creationism if you want, but please don't continue repeating the same old lies.

Deathbed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Hope#The_Lady_Hope_story

Transitional Forms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil#Misconceptions

Prehumans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_man

Age of the earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_earth

Chemical experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment

Speciation experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation#Artificial_speciation

That enough for you?

The entropy argument? Oh come on. It is perfectly possible to go against entropy if somehow more energy is constantly being inputted into the Earth. Perhaps it's God doing it- but hang on, what's that giant ball of gas in the sky?

Answer 1

Just one correction, there is absolutely 0 proof of a global flood and many cultures around the world who went on living and recording history.

Mr. D, that boat on mt.Ararak held 46 million ( approximately 23 million species @ 2 easch) or so animals? Wouldn't he also have had to collected all of the insects in the world, how did he track down all 300,00 species of beetles? What were they kept in shoe boxes? The ark of the bible would be bigger and I mean WAY bigger than any boats humans have ever built even with our modern technology, a wooden boat of that size would tear itself apart.

Answer 2

I am not a Creationist, but one KEY measure of intelligence, I've always felt, is the ability to see the other side's points and argue effectively FOR their side, even if you, yourself, do not agree with them. If one is truly smart.. they should be able to articulate the other side's points, even while debating them. <<1. Where did the light God made on day one come from? And did it just vanish after he created the Sun, the Moon and the stars?>> He created the entire concept of LIGHT. Light in the Universe, that which differentiates itself from darkness. Light is also often used as a substitute for knowledge, enlightenment, etc. You have to recall that Old Testament writers didn't write things using a Documentary style that we expect today. They wrote more poetically and more for meaning then factual events. <<2. How could he have gotten to a third day without there having been a sun? We define a day as one revolution of the Earth, and the Earth revolves because it moves around the sun, so how could there have been 'days' without a sun?>> Time is a human concept. We experience our reality in a linear fashion. Days are OUR division of time. NOT God's. A truly omnipotent being can not be limited by our linear concepts of time. Ergo, in this case, "Days" are there for OUR benefit, not God's. For OUR understanding, not his. <<3. It says that God separated light from darkness, creating day and night, on the first day. But how can he have created day and night without the Sun, the Moon and the stars, which he only created on day three?>> There are other sources of light, nebulas, pulsars, White Holes (opposite of Black holes) other things in this universe, some of which we may not even know about. Which COULD account for this. And again, Light can mean ANY source, not just stars or moons. Can even be a stand-in for enlightenment, truth, knowledge, etc. Even God, himself, is often described as being the "light onto the world" or sometimes light itself. God could be this source of the physical light, if we think about it. _________________________________ The KEY here is that unless you have already convicted the bible and have decided in your mind that Creation is False, then by the standards of rational thought and justice, one should assume that it is factual, until proven otherwise. That means that, like in court, then ANY argument or explanation is enough. We don't have to prosecute and PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that any of those explanations are true. Only the person claiming they are wrong does. So unless you assume guilt, until otherwise, proven. ANY explanation should be plausible enough. Not that you believe, but that you at least say: "Ok, I guess it COULD be that"

Answer 3

please how do you get around the laws of thermodynamics? which says that nothing can not go from to disorder to order. here is a great qoute for you. and all your points are arguble. also the Miller experment has been shown to be wrong there was too much of a certain gas given that did not exist. also producing life needs to live under the laws of thermodynamics, which kinda kills the primal soup idea also. and no not enough

J. H. Rush states:

In the complex course of its evolution, life exhibits a remarkable contrast to the tendency expressed in the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Where the Second Law expresses an irreversible progression toward increased entropy and disorder, life evolves continually higher levels of order
Roger Lewin

One problem biologists have faced is the apparent contradiction by evolution of the second law of thermodynamics. Systems should decay through time, giving less, not more, order.
Jeremy Rifkin states.
The Entropy Law says that evolution dissipates the overall available energy for life on this planet. Our concept of evolution is the exact opposite. We believe that evolution somehow magically creates greater overall value and order on earth.

Answer 4

OK

I completely agree, evolution is a pretty established theory. Still i have to disagree with the "All of this is true." part. Science is in constant change and we still have a lot to learn about how evolution act (the endosymbiosys theory to originate organelles like mitochondria and chloroplasts has a lot of holes for example).

Those are all details though, and I'm glad you got all those things straight, maybe some people will try to inform themselves better.

Paz de Cristo

Answer 5

All I can say is that we Christians will still loveyou and pray for you that receive truth. But you are wrong. Only God can show you that as you arent ready to receive truth from any of us. YOu ask us not to reapeat the same lies No they are truth, but we could ask you to stop repeating your lies. YOu have your believes and we have ours, why do you need to come on here and insult Christians.
You mentoned at the end about the big ball of gas in the sky. ok bud, where did that come from. Can you explain it? Can you explain where all the materials came from that caused this big bang stuff.
ALl the other things you mentioned would take books to give you an answer, and you and other athiests wont believe us when we speak, we can only pray you will one day hear what God is telling you, and we do pray that. It doesnt matter whether you believe in creation or not, it is still a fact, and all of the things you mentioned, there are so many scientists that arent non believers that can show you evidence for the oppostie beief as yours. YOu see what you what to see. In the Bible , God warms us about false knowledge, false science so to speak, and HE says that if anything is contrary to His word, it is false and we are to flee from it. God says He created us, that settles it for us Chritians, and its not even just blind faiht. so many evidence contrary to all you said.
Plus the Bible prophecies are coming true, even as we speak, we see worldwide miracles still daily, and God confirms to us so much about what is happening in these last days. The lies of the devil will get stronger and lead even more to the devil. But, those that are born again, of the Holy Spirit will receive more annointing power of God and new revelation that will get them thru to victory in Jesus Christ.
Jesus saves. Jesus heals and delivers, and remembe ryou must choose FOr Him befor eyou die or He comes again.
choose soon and choose wisely my friend. And remember God is so eager to just forgive, But you must ask.

Answer 6

Evolution is a false religion and it has never been proven. There is absolutely no way anybody on this planet can ever prove that this earth is 4.5 billion years old. The Radiometric dating methods have been controversial from day one. Please do your homework.. Don't allow yourself to be so gullible. Wake up! The information is all over the internet.That is totally absurd. Totally illogical. The earth is relatively young.

Have faith dear friend in God. Jesus saves, Jesus saves. John 3:16; Romans 10:9.

Answer 7

Evolution is not fact. It is a belief just like christianity. All fossil evidence of human evolution has been proven to be, at best, contrived. There is no way to prove it and there is no way to disprove it. I'm here now and that is what matters. Find a new argument.

Answer 8

Are you really that stupid? or are you just posing as an idiot to attract attention?

Darwin recanting?...debatable, but who cares?
Transitional forms?... none yet-check yourself out here!
Prehuman fossils?... no way-don't make me laugh.
All dates over about 5500 years are in serious dispute.
Much evidence for the flood-you just don't believe the facts.
No experiment has brought about life or pre-life.
Not "new" species, but deformed fruit flies-that could not mate
"Serious" biologist? Why serious??? Look around-dork
No evidence for evolution yet-no facts yet-just missing ones!
Evolution has never been a fact-can you be serious-like your biologist???

Follow this link to some "serious scientist".
http://www.whoisyourcreator.org/images/Dissent_List_February_2007.pdf

Answer 9

Thank you! This board really needed that! I commend you!

You know, this is actually the first time I've visited the Religion Board and as I have read through the posts, I have been shocked by the so-called Christians and the RIDICULOUS things that have been coming from their mouths. It's Christians like some of the people on this board that are giving Christians like me a bad name.

Answer 10

I heard on this one radio station that scientists exaggerate the ages of fossil