Christians ! Do you know that In God's covenant with Abraham, Tithing was not included. ?

Question

God gauranteed that covenant without any requirement of tithing.

Tithing is not part of the New Covenant either !

It is based on the blood of Jesus alone.

"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins - Matt.26:28

God knew that the only way to provide salvatiun and blessing to man was to provide it as a free gift. Man was incapable of contributing anything.
Jesus provided all that was required, his own shed blood.

Salvation is by GRACE and it includes every benefit purchased by the blood of Jesus at the Cross.

If prosperity or any other covenant blessing depended on the tithe, then the tithe would be purchasing it, not the blood of Jesus !

The New Covenant is a blood covenant not a tithe covenant !

Faith is the connection, but it is faith in the shed blood of Jesus, not faith in tithing !

Making tithing a requirement to maintain the covenant is just as wrong as making it a requirement to enter the covenant.

Dewcons your questions can be answer objectively by looking at "The fact versus speculation"
What are facts and what are Speculation ?

The account of Abraham and Melchizedek has led people in favor of tithing to make amny speculations that have no basis in scripture.

An objective look at the facts leads to a different conclusion. Tor the sake f emphasis the following points are listed individually:-

1. God's original promise to Abraham was based on nothing except faith. It had nothing to do with tithing.
2. God's Covenant with Abraham, which He made later to help Abraham believe, had nothing to do with tithing.
3. There's no scriptural basis to say that God instructed Abraham to give a tenth of the spoils to Melchizedek.
4. There is no scriptural basis to say that God ever instructed Abraham to give any tithe
5. Abraham was not made rich by giving tithe to Melchizedek. He was already exceeding rich before he gave it! gen. 13 tells us that Abraham was rich in cattle, in ....

..in gold. His substance was so great that the land could not bear him and Lot together. He had at least 318 male servants born in his house. The total number of persons in his company would have been much greater counting wives and children of the servant plus others who would have stayed behind to guard his possessions.
6. This is the one and only mentio of Abraham giving a tithe to anyone. ( No other mentioned of it anywhere else in his life time)
7. There is no scriptural basis to teach that Abraham ever gave another tithe in his entire life.
8. Abraham didn't give a tithe of his personal possessions or the increase of his flocks and herds
9. The tithe was on the spoils of the battle.
10. Abraham didn't give a tithe of something that he was going to keep a portion of, so it cost him nothing.
11. Neither tithes nor offerings were a condition for the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham.
12. God made Abraham rich in fulfillment of his promise alone, without any kind of ...

.tithing or giving.
13. There is no scriptural basis to say that Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek is God's pattern for Christians in the New Covenant.
14. God's command to Abraham was to leave his country and go to the land that God would show him
15. God's promised that He would make Abraham a great nation, He would bless him, He would make his name great. Abraham would be a blessing, he would curse them taht curse Abraham, and in Abraham all families of the earth would be blessed.
16. Abraham believed what God said and acted on it. God considered him righteous, fulfilled his promise and made him rich on the basis of that faith alone,
TITHING HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!
Conclusion: Tithing was not part of Abraham's covenant. There is n question about that. Tithing was not the reason for his prospeity or the fulfillment of God's promises to him. Abraham was already extremely wealthy before he ever met Melchizedek. God mad Abraham rich on the basis of His promise alone

Lone Ranger please be open to the Holy Spirit - He may be speaking but you are not listening !

Answer 1

Moses is known as the Law giver. And the Hebrews or Israelites in the Old Testament times were placed under THE LAW which included among others Sabbath law, tithing law, festivities law, food laws, etc. Today, in the New testament, Christians are no longer under THE LAW but under THE DISPENSATION OF GRACE.

Answer 2

You are incorrect.

Whilst tithing was not included in the covenants between God and Abraham specifically, it was included in the covenants between God and the Jews as recorded in Bible.

Basic tithes:

Gifts to the levitical priest: not specified as to the amount, but it was the first tithe taken, understood to be about 2%

Tithes to the levites: In the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th years of the 7 year agricultural cycle, 10% of the remaining crops were to be given to the levites. In the 3rd and 6th years, this tithe went to the poor. In the seventh year, the fields were left fallow and anything that grew was considered ownerless and therefore no tithes were taken

Second tithe: 10% of the remainder after the gifts to the priests and the first tithe above. This tithe was for the owner to bring to Jerusalem and consume there during the 3 pilgrimage festivals

There were other tithes as well, including every tenth first-year animal, portions of the fields left for the poor and a portion of each batch of bread dough made.

These tithes are clearly spelled out to anyone who even gives the bible a cursory reading beyond Genesis.

Answer 3

If God's convenant with Abraham did not include tithing, then why did he do it in Genesis 14? And why is his action of tithing held up as an example in Hebrews 7:1-2?

God actually cut his convenant with Abraham in Genesis 15. There is no mention of tithing in that convenant because it is something Abraham was already doing (again see Genesis 14).

Answer 4

Again, you are incorrect. Have you learned nothing from the answers to your questions?
Keeping on repeating the same question is not going to yeild the results you want. You are still wrong.

Did Abraham understand and practice the principle of the tithe?

Genesis 14:18 "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all."

How did Abraham know he was supposed to tithe? Read Genesis 26:5. This pre-existed the Law given at Siani and the establishment of the Levitical priesthood.

Just so it is clear who this tithe was paid to:

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a priest of the Most High God, who gave Abraham his blessing, meeting him when he came back after putting the kings to death, 2 And to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of everything which he had, being first named King of righteousness, and then in addition, King of Salem, that is to say, King of peace;
3 Being without father or mother, or family, having no birth or end to his life, being made like the Son of God, is a priest for ever. 4 Now see how great this man was, to whom our father Abraham gave a tenth part of what he had got in the fight.
5 And it is true that by the law, those of the sons of Levi who have the position of priests may take a tenth part of the people’s goods; that is to say, they take it from their brothers though these are the sons of Abraham. 6 But this man, who was not of their family, took the tenth from Abraham, and gave a blessing to him to whom God had given his undertaking.
7 But there is no doubt that the less gets his blessing from the greater. 8 Now at the present time, men over whom death has power take the tenth; but then it was taken by one of whom it is witnessed that he is living. 9 And we may say that in Abraham, even Levi, who has a right to take the tenth part, gave it; 10 Because he was still in his father’s body when Melchizedek came to him.

It was not necessary for God to restate the principle of tithing in the covenant with Abraham because Abraham was already knew he was to tithe.

Abraham understood tithing exactly the opposite of the way that you do. I rather trust Abraham instead of you. Again, read Genesis 26:5.

Answer 5

Your statement shows how little non-Jews understand about the Jewish scriptures and the covenant between Jews and God. This lack of understanding is reasonable since you aren't taught correctly about these things by your churches.

Tithing is given to do in the Torah, what non-Jews call the Old Testament (although the church made over 30 THOUSAND changes for themselves in it).

The Torah IS the covenant between God and the Jews, and Abraham kept the Torah in its entirety even before it was given to Moses on Mt. Sinai.

Tithing was done, as per instructed in the Torah, for many different reasons. As just a couple of examples, tithes were given to maintain the poor, the widows, and the elderly. Tithes were given for maintaining the priests, their meals were actually a tithed portion of the sacrifices that were made for all of the nations.

To repeat, the Torah IS the covenant between Jews and God, and all that is contained within it - and within it is the instruction to tithe.

Secondly, no laws in the Torah ever applied, nor apply today, to non-Jews EXCEPT the 7 Universal Laws (Noahide Laws) that are found in, and were given to, every society in every culture, in every era.

You are not, and never have been, exempt from these laws by the blood of a virgin human blood sacrifice named Jesus, and you never will be.

Unless of course, you believe that since Jesus died for you, now you are able to go out and murder, curse God, steal, commit adultery, commit idolatry, tear the limb from a living animal to eat, or refuse to set up a system of courts and just law to live by in your society.

If you believe that Jesus freed you from these 7 Universal Laws for non-Jews from the Torah, try breaking them and see how far you get.

And the rest of the laws besides these 7, you were never under in the first place, thus you were never freed of them by Jesus - you cannot be freed from something you were never bound by in the first place.

You do not have any kind of salvation from a virgin human blood sacrifice for sin. This is an abomination to God. It is a church fallacy, and it comes from ancient paganism, NOT FROM JUDAISM.

http://www.noahide.org

Now go and read these links below to learn what the actual messiah is supposed to be, and do, according to what GOD gave on Mt. Sinai, rather than the paganism that the church took into itself. This way you'll be able to stop committing idolatry as a non-Jew and do what you were given to do instead, by God:


http://www.aish.com/spirituality/philoso...

http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.htm...

http://ohr.edu/ask/ask00j.htm

http://shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/html/fa...

http://www.beingjewish.com/toshuv/whynot...

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=1...

http://www.jewsforjudaism.com

Answer 6

true enough, but remember that the priests were the ones that consumed the sacrifices to god so the food wouldnt go to waste. one of the privilages of being a priest. and jesus said render unto ceasar what is ceasar's and render unto god what is god's. granted he was talking about taxes and the soul of man, but jesus also recognized that the church needed money and likely encouraged donations to the church.

Answer 7

I give because I want to, not because I have to. With your outlook, keep your money, it isn't going to do you any good to give it anyway. The Bible says that "God loves a cheerful giver".

Answer 8

What do you think you know that Christians don't? Do you think you are being insightful? Yes, Salvation is based on faith in Jesus Christ. We know that.

Answer 9

and your point is? I am Jewish and I know that so why do you think our Christian brothers and sisters, do not