Not to be rude or anything, but marriage is a sanctimony brought onto us by God. It is not a man made privilege, but a privilege given to us by God for the benefit of procreation and God's benevolence. So why do gays, obviously not living a holy lifestyle, want to embark on a holy matrimony?
Do they want to be married in church to? Do they want to be married by pastorsto?
Seriously, what's the point?
1 Corinthians 7
3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
2007-07-01
20:58:53
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melgonz@sbcglobal.ne… you obviously have a well rounded mind, however, I strongly disagree with you. We are obviously on two deferent spiritual levels. I believe in God, Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior and the relationship I have with Him, that's it. You, on the other hand, dive into multiple spiritual beliefs which explains why and how you are lost. And have you seen Jerry Springer, I'd say there are plenty of angry abusive gay people out there!
crow_mtt I care because I am Christian and I do care about the sanctity of marriage. Also, to make the point that there's no reason for them to get married.
YodasTatoo Ok rather your married or single you get health insurance, retirement, etc. So, to share them with your gay lover is a reason to let them get married? That's the worse then the idea of people getting married because they're having a baby!
crystallinectar, ath… and everyone else that thinks that marriage is not a religious matrimony, you are the reason that the education
2007-07-02
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crystallinectar, ath… and everyone else that thinks that marriage is not a religious matrimony, you are the reason that the education level in this country is very very low. Furthure more crystallinectar, ath… I am not suggesting that everybody who sins should not be married, I am suggesting that we as a country should NOT support blasphemy.
Mr. Knowitall Have you ever heard of rich men leaving there cash to there care takers and staff? This is a good example as to why you DO NOT need to be married to have your stuff left to whom ever you like. As far as making decisions on one's behalf, this is what a resuscitate order and or living will is for!
Azmi you make a good point, there sins will be punished by God, however, I am more concerned with a nation that has forgotten God, which as you no will be forgotten. Everyone's fate is on the line.
2007-07-02
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jerseygyrrl, murders, rapist and what not can all do something that gay people refuse to do, repent. They can turn there lives around and admit to God and the rest of the world that they were wrong. Gays on the other hand refuse to do that. They refuse to except there sin as being a sin, thus they are an abomination and that is why it is important to not let them embark on a HOLY matrimony.
katrina g you seem sad, but better to have loved then not love at all
2007-07-02
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coz the whole world is so f"""""d up now..whatever next...ppl will be marrying there pets???? so messed up ...repent NOW
2007-07-01 21:03:08
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answered by free-spirit 5
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There are many arguments to be made, but I will explain it my way.
Marriage is two different things. One is a secular thing--it's a contract between two people, an economic and social partnership. Married couples get to pay taxes together, inherit from each other, make decisions for each other when the other is incapacitated, etc. That's a legal thing and has nothing to do with religion.
The other part is religious. The couple stand up in a church, in front of God and everyone, and promise to be true and faithful to each other forever. That's very wonderful and sweet, but that's only half of it, and not even that for people who aren't religious.
Now just for a minute, let's leave the religious part out of it. If heterosexual people have a right to enter into a contract, why only heterosexual people? The state exists to guarantee equal rights for EVERYONE.
And homosexuality doesn't really have that much to do with it. Suppose two widows who are good friends decide to pool their money and buy a house together and live together and watch out for each other--not as lovers or anything, just as good friends? Why can't these two friends enter into a partnership contract so they can visit each other in the hospital, they can leave their money to each other, all that stuff? I mean why is 'marriage' only available to people who want to have kids and raise a family?
Maybe you wouldn't call it marriage, maybe you'd call it 'domestic partnership'. What problem would you have with that?
2007-07-01 21:09:16
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answered by Anonymous
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Marriage CAN be regarded as a sacrament (not a "sanctimony"... LOL!!), but **only** when performed by a bonafide member of the clergy AS a religious service, whether or not within a church building.
It is **not** REMOTELY a sacrament when it is performed the way that tens of millions of marriages routinely are -- by NON-clergy, such as mayors, JPs, secular marriage "chapels" (such as are common in Las Vegas), ship captains, etc.
And guess what?? THOSE marriages are every bit as legitimate in ALL legal ways as are the religiously-performed ones.
Before concluding this answer, I'll remind the questioner that it is very likely that NO one has ever yet been able to come up with a way that ANY opposite-sex couple's marriage could possibly be harmed in any way if a same-sex couple in their town were to become legally married. (SO MUCH for so-called "Defense" of Marriage acts!! What a sick JOKE those are. And how dishonest!!)
BOTTOM LINE -- The desperation of the rabid and ignorant lemmings of the RRR Cult ("Religious" Radical Right) and their leaders to keep same-sex partners from marrying each other is just... plain... STUPID! (And increbibly selfish and hateful.)
2007-07-02 11:59:22
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answered by Anonymous
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If marriage is "a sanctimony brought onto us by God"...why do 50% of marriages in the US end in divorce? And why are gays the only group excluded from this "sanctimony?" What about convicted pedaphiles and rapists, I never hear anyone saying they should not be allowed to marry. Even murderers, for that matter, sitting on death row, can get married and conceive a child. I don't get it...help me out...why is being gay the only exclusion from marriage? It wasn't one of the 10 commandments, but yet you can commit all 10 and still get married...as long as your not gay?? And I was not married in a church or by a pastor. But still happily married with 2 beautiful children...
2007-07-01 23:22:30
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answered by jerseygyrrl 3
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I'm gay and I don't want to get married. But on the other hand...I wouldn't mind exchanging commitent rings (at the most). Why is it so disgusting when EVERYONE of us are ALL already married on a subconcious level?
Several points have to be covered here:
1) Having studied comprative-relgion I can tell you that we do not all love the same becuase we ARE NOT born spiritually equal. Gay people are often more resilient, understanding and compassionate than their straight counterparts. And I've never met one that was abusive (I've come to expect it from straight people.)
2) By saying that GOD created marriage you are stuck in Aspirant-level drudgery...and are so closed minded in your spiritual develpment that you think answers somehow come from outside yourself. Look deeper in historical documents and you'll find they may have been as many as four or five falls. Much like a cell dividing. We were originally one sex on this planet according to ancient mystery schools such as the oracle of delphi.
2) People need to get rid of the idea of a vengeful GOD once and for all. The world's four other major religions do not denounce homosexuality. That's four billion people that DO NOT agree with Christianity on this issue. Even Islam.
3) I have no desire to have sex with men so you can't call me a homosexual. The term gay refered only to the pop culture during the 60s and 70s when the homosexual community was first being recognized. There are people who are even more sexually neutral then me therefore, often have a deeper understanding or should I say commitment to see after the welfare of others regardless of sex. DEAL WITH IT!!!!! I'm not calling Jesus Christ gay but do you think he lusted over women? Our pop culture/media is so intense as to what constistutes normal relationships today, it makes me want to cry.
2007-07-01 21:00:22
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answered by Anonymous
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That's only according to your belief. Just because some people believe one thing doesn't mean that that should control other people's lives by keeping them from happiness. To many people (myself included), although I don't want to get married in a church or by a pastor, I would still want to get married for two reasons, to make a commitment before my friends, family and community to the man that I want to spend the rest of my life (or perhaps eternity) with, and also because it's tradition...a right of passage.
2007-07-01 21:10:48
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answered by Liesel 5
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So getting married and then divorced 15 times is holy? Why don't you go on a rant about divorce instead of gay marriage. If they're already not living a "holy" lifestyle what is them getting married going to hurt? They're all going to hell as far as you're concerned so why would you honestly care if they get married. Don't get all self righteous. As far as I knew god wasn't too big on judgmental people either right?
2007-07-01 21:28:38
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answered by Arcangel 4
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1. They don't get married, they enter into civil partnerships, because small minded people foolishly believe that they are being unholy when it is your own God that has created people the way that they are.
2. Because they are human beings that should be allowed to declare their love and devotion to another human being.
3. Because there are many, legal benefits (such as pension rights) that can only be granted when you are in a binding relationship (either by marriage or civil partnership).
2007-07-01 21:10:48
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answered by no_preconceived_ideas 3
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Marriage is not a Christian institution. It predates the religion enormously, and existed already in countries that Christianity was brought to. It is a social insitituion that it is reasonable that couples who love one another would want to enter, and it brings very significant financial and other benefits aimed at strengthening relationships. Why would gay people want to deny themselves this?
It was not until the Council of Trent in the 16th century that the church got its dirty hands on marriage as a means of control and subjugation (to control lives from "cradle to grave"). Until then it was rarely even performed by a priest.
2007-07-01 21:06:17
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answered by Anonymous
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I say that if they want to then so be it...
Why should their life and happiness be controlled by the Church, which is full of homosexual Priests anyway ??
Religion and Politics also don't mix, but as we know most of the people who are in charge profess to be Christian...
Religion can be used to manipulate all sorts of issues...
I say religion is very dangerous, just take a look at the papers daily and you will see it there in black and white...
Soon, very soon all the false religions on this planet will be exposed for what they are as we enter *The Shift* in 2012..
Blessed Be... )O(
2007-07-01 21:25:07
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answered by Bunge 7
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Because most people believe the Bible is a load of hooey for starters.... your argument is lost. If people believed what you believe then they would agree with you, but the majority of people do not.
Second, because marriage is not from God. Marriage was around before the Bible or Jesus. Christians were not the only people who had marriage, so how can you say it is form God. Buddhists, gentiles, Jews, Muslims all have marriage. Do you think because they have different values to you, that they should be allowed to marry.
I would like to be married because i think that all relationships should be protected by law, not just hetero marriages. I would like to marry my partner as a sign of commitment and solidarity to our relationship. I would like to be married so that we can have the same rites as everybody else. I would also like to get married so our relationships with our kids are protected. And most of all above all this. I love her and i want EVERYONE to know it.
My morals are no less than yours. I go to church, i sing in church, i play guitar in my church, my kids go to church, I am a stay at home mum right now. I look after our 1 year old. I look after our ten year old. I clean, cook etc. On the weekends for fun i play with my family/ friends, i go to the movies, i go away to the beach.... nothing amoral about any of those things.
Are you so naive to believe because we have a different view of a few verses in the Bible, that you have greater morals.... Can you consider that others believe you to be wrong in your judgement and therefore consider you to have no morals... Can you consider that all sin is equal. So, when you say that you are greater or more holy and yet you do not treat your body like a temple of the Holy spirit, or you judge someone, or you lie, or you gossip, or you think about someone in a s_xual way, that you are in fact no better than myself or anyone else.
Where is holiness involved in your lifestyle? You are not holy, my lifestyle is not holy only God is holy.... Is it not a sin to have pride in ourselves? By your statement you suggest that your life is holy. So, you are in sin and therefore not moral...
Think before you put an argument for all the world to see that tell us how closed and not thought out your argument is....
2007-07-01 21:22:35
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answered by jannah b 3
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