Do you believe "once saved always saved" If so what do you make of this?

Question

HEBREWS IN KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE [4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[7] For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[8] But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

How can you fall away if your always saved?

Answer 1

This is one the most famous teachings in the churches today. However, many who are taught this analyze what this teaching means. “Once saved, always saved.” Just think about that term for a second. That means that no matter what sin you commit (even if it is willful), you will still be saved. In other words, there is no accountability for their sins and they will still be saved. What is the point of being faithful if this were to be the case? Let me explain, through Jehovah God’s inspired Word the Bible.

Is it true that once a person is saved, they are always saved? Here are the scriptural answers to these questions. By letting God’s inspired Word the Bible answer such questions, I keep myself from “becoming a cause for stumbling” to those who read this response (1 Corinthians 10:32).

Jude 5: “I desire to remind YOU, despite YOUR knowing all things once for all time, that Jehovah, although he saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterwards destroyed those not showing faith.”

This was referring to the Israelites. They knew about Jehovah God’s laws, principles, and standards. Yes, they were delivered from Egypt and into the wilderness, but they began to murmur because they were eating the same food for 40 years. That food was keeping them alive. These Israelites even wanted to go back to Egypt, the place from which they were delivered because of the life they led there. As a result of their continued disobedience and lack of faith, Jehovah destroyed them. So much for “once saved, always saved.”

Matthew 24:13: “But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.” Yes, one has to endure to the either the end of his or her life or until the end of this conclusion of this system of things in order to receive salvation. Therefore, a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus. More is involved. So much for “once saved, always saved.”

Hebrews 10:26, 27: “For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.”

Thus, the Bible does not go along with the idea that no matter what sins a person may commit after he is “saved” he will not lose his salvation. It encourages faithfulness. Hebrews 6:4-6 shows that even a person anointed with holy spirit can lose his hope of salvation.

Hence, more than just faith is needed in order to gain salvation.

Ephesians 2:8, 9: “By this undeserved kindness, indeed, YOU have been saved through faith; and this not owing to YOU, it is God’s gift. No, it is not owing to works, in order that no man should have ground for boasting.”

The entire provision for salvation is an expression of God’s undeserved kindness. There is no way that a descendent of Adam can gain salvation on his own, no matter how noble his works are. Salvation is a gift from God given to those who put faith in the sin-atoning value to the sacrifice of his Son.

James 2:14, 26: “Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if a certain one says he has faith but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it? Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”

1 Corinthians 10:12: “Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.” Therefore, we must not be overconfident that once we are saved, we are always saved.

Much work is involved in order to be saved. In summary, we must endure to the end (either or our lives or the conclusion of this system of things) by taking in accurate knowledge of both Jehovah God and Jesus Christ and not end up like the Israelites who did not hold up to their integrity while in the wilderness and as a result were destroyed.

Thanks,

Answer 2

Actually, the above reads to me that if we could lose our salvation we'd be in trouble because there'd be no getting it back. "For it is impossible....if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance." True salvation is only needed once. Read Romans as it deals with the subject thoroughly. If we think that we can lose our salvation by sinning then that means we think we can earn our salvation by works. The Bible says that our works are worth nothing. Does that mean that we get to have fun sinning with no worries? Of course not. One, if we do then we probably really did not receive true salvation. Two, as any father would do, our Father will punish us when we do wrong. He can punish us by our health, wealth, friends and many other things. If we get bad enough, He can remove us from this life so we sin no more. But, we are still saved.

Answer 3

The bible says to be working out our salvation. That doesn't mean we can save ourselves but that we daily need to consecrate ourselves to Christ. To take up our cross daily and follow him. I don't believe that someone is saved if their life doesn't do a complete 180 degree turn. You cannot come in contact with the creator of the universe and not be changed. We need to look at the fruits in a saved person's life. Only God can know. Every person who knows Jesus as Lord is on a different journey and is not perfect. Some stumble, others fall away for awhile(prodigal son). Some never had the word firmly planted in their hearts. So I think following Jesus does require work on our behalf. We cannot save ourselves but we do need to follow him and that means letting him lead and going behind him, not just standing there.

Answer 4

Hebrews 6

4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because[a]to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

It refers to professing Christians whose apostasy proves that their faith was not genuine.


1 John assures believers of our Salvation.

Answer 5

This might be precise, nonetheless I do not think that it's. It is viable to real be stored, after which fall clear of God. If you fall away thus far, you might get into the attitude that "God does not exist". If this had been to occur, it's dubious that you simply might see Him in Heaven. Some might say that if this had been to occur to you, you were not "relatively stored" within the first position, and I'm certain that's many instances, that is proper. I'd be inclined to put down cash, despite the fact that, that it has occurred that any one who used to be "relatively stored" has fallen away. Look at Charles Darwin. He used to be particularly religious, however by the point of his demise, he had fallen away to the factor that he did not simply critically doubt God's life, he used to be certain that God did not exist.

Answer 6

It is critical to harmonize scripture and it is also true that we
need to understand more difficult statements in the light of the simple teachings of scripture. Here is a simple scripture verse in which we can look;

John 10:28 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall
never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my
hand."

Note that we are given eternal life, and by definition, that is
life that never ends. Also notice that none can pluck them
from from His hand. I don't think you can get clearer then
that.

Where some people become confused is when there are
people that that have expressed a profession of faith but
have not received true grace. When this is manifested, it only
appears that they lost faith, but the truth is they never were saved.

Matthew 13:21"But he that received the seed into stony
places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended."

We are not saved because of some faith that we work up in
ourselves. We are saved because Christ works faith in us. "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:13)

Answer 7

once saved always saved is against scripture.

sadly people will argue from the bible that there will/will not be a rapture, that there is no trinity,jesus was just a man,the eucharist isn't truly the real presence etc...................

that is what happens when we don't have the teaching authority of the church that jesus gave to us,the church that gave us the bible,the one true holy catholic and apostolic church that was promised the protection and guidance of the holy spirit,the church that is the "pillar and bulwark". i think that the 28000+ protestant churches really show us that we "must test the spirits" when it comes to doctrines such as OSAS. God bless.

Answer 8

You know its strange, I'm not a Christian but even I know if you don't stay on the path of rightness you will burn in the end!

Its a shame really that you Christians can't life like a witch!
Follow are golden rules and enjoy life, without all the unnecessary worries.

Answer 9

I agree, that you can lose your salvation but those who believe that saying the sinners prayer keeps you saved won't listen because they say that God won't cast you out. He won't cast anyone who wants to be there. But he also cannot look at sin, which is why he forsake his son when Jesus was on the cross.

I also look at the parable about the speck and the goats and how they claim that they testified in his name, etc and Jesus says they did iniquity and are cast out.

Finally, why did Jesus say that its more difficult for a camel to enter the eye of the needle (a narrow gate) than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? It's because salvation is worked out with fear and trembling. Salvation is from our lives being lived for the Lord, and living in righteousness (not self-righteousness).

Answer 10

Because they believe the warning is addressed to Christians, many interpreters hold that the passage teaches that salvation can be lost. If this interpretation were true, however, the passage would also teach that, once lost, salvation could never be regained. If, after being saved, a person lost his salvation, he would be damned forever. There would be no going back and forth, in and out of grace. But Christians are not being addressed, and it is the opportunity for receiving salvation, not salvation itself, that can be lost.

The believer need never fear he will lose his salvation. He cannot. The Bible is absolutely clear about that. Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand" (John 10:27-29). Paul is equally clear. "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?… For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom. 8:35, 38-39). "He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus" (Phil. 1:6). We are "to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven," and we "are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Pet. 1:4-5). If the power of God cannot keep us, nothing is dependable or trustworthy or worth believing in. A Christian has no reason at any point in his life to believe that his salvation is or can be lost. If by Christ’s death we can be saved, certainly by His life of power and intercession we can be kept saved (Rom. 5:10).

It is unbelievers who are in danger of losing salvation—in the sense of losing the opportunity ever to receive it. The unbelieving Jews were in great danger, because of their spiritual immaturity and sluggishness, of turning back to Judaism and of never being able to repent and come to Christ. They would be lost forever, because they had rejected, at the most vital point in knowledge and conviction, the only gospel that could save them. There is no other salvation message they could hear, no evidence of the truth of the gospel they had not seen.