Let's imagine there is nothing at all and the world is at the beginning???

Question

Nothing is there and then out of nothing at all, some atom comes up and creates itslelf and makes a Big Bang and then after a long time... Out of the atom that came out of nowhere comes a human being whose body is so complicated...

Sounds idiotic and stupid, doesn't it???

Well, that's what some people believe...

Answer this:

1) Where did an atom come from that started the Big Bang???

2) Where did the atom before that atom come from???

You do realise that there was time when there were no atoms so what happened... Something to with Allah/God maybe...

Answer 1

GOD THAT'S IT. PERIOD

Answer 2

Nobody says that an atom started it all. The only people who even suggest something ridiculous like that are those who are asking stupid questions. The universe, before the big bang, as far as we can figure out, was a SINGULARITY. This does not mean a single atom. It means that the entire universe was one single point. An atom is far too big because it has a size.

This singularity cannot be measured against anything today, because the nature of a single point is that it has no dimensions. No width, no height, just a single dot. Don't just imagine a single point hanging in space - there was no space for it to hang within, because the entirety of the universe was contained in that point.

As far as this universe is concerned, there was nothing before the singularity. This is because this singularity was not only one of space, but of time. Time and space are intrinsically linked, and when space unrolled from the singularity, so did time. There was no 'before' because the concept of time didn't exist until it unravelled with space at the Big Bang.

As for a human being just springing into existence.. please, just go and read "a beginners guide to evolution" or something.

Answer 3

Does our ignorance prove the existence of a god?

First, we don't know if there was nothing or something before the Big Bang. So, your questions falls flat right there. As for how humans got here, that is a process that has been well studied and which we have a lot of evidence for.

But to answer your two questions:

1) Nobody claims an atom started the Big Bang. We don't what, if anything, came before the Big Bang.

2) And if there was anything before the Big Bang, we don't know what came before that, or if the word "before" really applies outside of this universe.

And, no, we don't realize there was a time when there was nothing. (I won't say "atoms", because that's something that came about well after the Big Bang.)

Now, given all of the ignorance that humans have about what happened before the Big Bang, how does this ignorance on humanity's part imply the existence of a god?

Sorry, but a made up answer with no real basis is not really an answer.

Answer 4

You have no concept of the true nature of the big bang.

Seriously go do some research on it rather than go on your current misconceptions. You will have to unlearn most of what you think about it.

Nothing means Nothing. No space/time for anything to even exist in.

For some reasoned speculation on where space/time came from, look up string theory, brane theory and M theory. Do not bother with trying to understand the math, if the big bang gives you problems then 11 dimensional mathematics is way beyond you.

Once space/time came into existence as a super dense energy the big bang happened. The big bang was not an explosion in space, like a huge bomb, but and explosion OF space, more like being on the surface of a balloon as it is blown up.

As space/time expanded the energy density decreased to the point where the energy could 'condense' into matter (E=mc^2, so m=E/c^2)

After that it took about 9,000,000,000 years for the Earth to form, and about 500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 years for life to form on the Earth, then about 3,500,000,000 years to get to now.


Unless you want to appear as a troll, then please educate yourself on what scientist really say. Right now you just appear ignorant.


Could this have bee Allah? I can't prove it was not.

But, why should it have been. Thousands of events that were attributed to god have now been found to have natural reasons. Why should I think the big bang any different?

Why Allah? Why not Vishnu, Zeus, Odin, Osiris or any of the other thousands of gods you do not believe in?

If it was an omnipotent Allah, why take such a roundabout way of doing things? Why is the Qu'ranic version of creation not true.


And if it was a god, any god, where did that god come from?

Answer 5

Let's imagine there is nothing at all and the world is at the beginning???

Except there is a magical, superbeing that is intelligent, has super powers - including the ability to create something out of nothing, and has always existed.

Sounds idiotic and stupid, doesn't it???

Well, that's what some people believe...

Answer this:

1) Where did God come from that started the Big Bang???

Don't you see? It is more plausible to think that some unintelligent, non-magical matter has existed "forever" (actually in a timeless state) than that some intelligent, magical being has existed.

God is much more complicated than the cosmic seed and the laws of physics that govern its existence, and therefore requires the greater burden of proof, of which none has been provided.

Answer 6

and where did god come from something far more complex then a human?

you can go around in circles with that one.


unlike relgious people.

Athiests dont

BELEIVE in a big band... its just thats the closest suggestion we can come up with our crappy technology so far.


Think not so bright one...

how are we supposed to get an accurate answer to this when we have not even travelled to mars let alone invented hyper warp drive to go intergalatic to the point of Star Trek or Star wars.


then gone further to go intergalatic which would be pretty impressive, and then invent a telescope a galaxy wide... out of what exactly?

the GDP of most of a Galaxy to be able to work out that one.


Plus lets see.


how do you get from the bicycle builders to a F22 Rapter fighterplane or space shuttle?

Or better still a throw stick to a intercontinental ballistic misile

Somewhat more complicated?


thats in a century.

So imagine life developing over BILLIONS of years...


Problem is you relgious types can only handle a lifetime with your brain.


Hence you thinking you go from atom to human overnight


So your notion is...


Since we have not got the technology to work out where a pyrocastic flow comes from and as its so big it must be the volcano gods upset as we did not throw in enough virgins ...


Or the gods known and the my little ponies must have done it.


Now thats more idiotic and stupid then the big bang which at least has some evidence to support it.

Or how about this...


we are germs on the poop of the giant space turtle who flies around the universe.



Incidently you creationists are supposed to beleive t rexes hung out and played with Humansd so care to explain why they have pointy teeth as a bit hard to eat apples

Answer 7

You have got it all wrong. Atoms were formed after the big bang. In fact solid 'stuff' is just an illusion we can only see at the macro level.
And there was no time before the big bang because there was no change happening.

To turn your argument around;
who made god?
who made the thing that made god?
who made the thing that made the thig that made god?

Answer 8

The problem with your question is that complete nothingness cannot exist - it's a human concept that is not found in reality, in the same kind of way that the number '2' is a concept rather than a real thing. You can't go out and find a '2' floating around in space, even though the concept of '2' is extremely useful to us.

Quantum mechanics says that existence is probabilistic, not deterministic, i.e. particles come into existence at random and uncaused. See an experiment that shows this happening, here:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/dn11376-photons-life-cycle-watched-in-full.html

A state of complete nothingness cannot exist because that would be completely deterministic, and the nature of reality precludes this.

So, there is no problem at all in accepting that simple particles come into existence uncaused, because we've proved it. Naturally there's a lot we still don't know about the universe but we can't turn to the concept of an uncreated creator to explain it.

Answer 9

Even if creation is something that came from nothing, there must have been prior to that an intelligent form or idea that the creation emulated. So God is not just the creator, but also the idea.

And as for atoms always existing, consider this. Nothing material lasts forever, so to say that matter has always existed is to either admit to the immortal nature of matter, or to admit that one tiny atom is the origin, one that is immortal and which every other impermanent material revolves around. If you said the latter, you are basically referring to a material god within the material universe, the indestructible atom of creation, which had no beginning and no end, and which had always existed. To me this sounds like a description of God's nature.

Answer 10

Yes, some people believe such things.

They are called Creationists. And you just proved to yourself why their beliefs are so ridiculous.

You DO realize that we atheists and other freethinkers do NOT believe anything of the sort, right? I mean, seriously... your "where did the atom" thing come from... we wonder how people believe such things, also. (People like you)

Most people understand that energy cannot be CREATED or destroyed, so we're comfortable with the theory that the universe has always existed.

No god needed, Sparky. In fact, it precludes the notion of a god.


(And to the guy below, who I guess is attempting to disagree with me... I didn't say atoms always existed. I said energy. Read up on it sometime.)

Answer 11

Nothing to do with Allah...He doesn't come tell later in the story with the visitation by Mohammad.

But I agree with the Evaluation being stupid.

The problem with the Big Bang is that in order for it to happen something would have had to CREATE the original energy. Who was it? Christ/God I do believe!