My fellow atheist brothers and sisters... a SERIOUS question, And please... the INTELLIGENT people answer this

Question

Ive always thought that atheists are clever people because they dont blindly follow their parents or anyone else. But my question is if you think there is no God.. how did the universe come into existence( i know well about the big bang theroy and the Quran talks about it as well) but the big bang theory suggests it came out of nowhere basically the collision of dust particles... if your saying that explosion created the universe, then how can anyone believe that.. because explosions are knowns to DESTROY things and not create. And another thing is how can DNA and RNA come into existence at the same time? How did the first ancestor actually come out of.. as the theory suggests life came out of a non living thing (ABIOGENESIS)... how is that logically possible??? Please no stupid answers. So the stupid ones stay out

Are any of you atheist amazed that the BIG BANG theory has been talked about in the Quran... if your to beleive in the founder of the Big bang theory which was done recently.. allah said it 1400 years ago... Anything amazing

And for the brother who points out about the sun settin in spring water(Quran) well you should read the verse completly that Allah refers to the traveller as seeing the sun set in the sea... Its like im a maths teacher and my student says 2+2=5 and i tell you my student said 2+2=5..im saying what the student said and NOT me

Answer 1

Great question and great reply for that pathetic guy who tried 2 get an error in the Quran. Brother the thing is whatever you tell them they are going to be least understanding. We should invite them to islam in the way that is most glorious. Inshallah

Answer 2

Ok, well last part first. There is a great article about the beginnings of life in Scientific American's most recent edition, I suggest you pick it up. Further, RNA and DNA did not come about contemporaneaously. RNA came first, then DNA later. RNA can, concievably, be changed into DNA through a variety of processes. Explosion is an interesting word for the Big Bang. We think of things as "destroyed" if they are changed by rapid release of energy (an explosion) but that is not the case. Matter is neither created nor destroyed, just rearranged. A big bang of massive energetic proportions would not destroy matter then, but rearrange it. There is the theory that the Big Bang that started our Universe was one of many, going on into eternity. The universe, the theory goes, is constantly expanding and contracting. Obviously this takes longer than any of us will be alive, but the theory is that the Universe expands from an explosion to a point ,stops, and contracts. The methodology is difficult to explain, but none of that matters. The real answer to your question is "we don't know for sure." We've got lots of theories, many that fit the evidence we see, but untill we discover more, we can't know. The real point is, why do you accept that the Universe "started?" Why assume that all that is, was at one point not? Why, necessarily, can the universe not merely be ifinite, without time. Time is a funny thing, and it takes an evolved mind to comprehend it. But the truth is, that time is meaningless in the face of infinity, and I would submit that there never had to be a "start" to the universe, never a "comming into existence" that you wonder about. You can concieve that Allah is without time, so you have a grasp that time needn't apply to all things. Take that, apply it to the universe. Don't assume that there was a start, this will help you in your conceptualization of it.

Answer 3

Um, if this was a serious question why is it in the R&S section rather than under Science?


The big bang was not an explosion in space (a bomb) but an explosion OF space (more like the surface of a balloon being blow up.) What caused the big bang. Nobody knows, although string theory is looking promising.


You do not need DNA or RNA to start life. Although a simple version of RNA is a good candidate. You need a molecule that is capable of producing mostly perfect copies of itself faster than it decays. After that the forces of evolution take hold and the molecules will become more successful and more complicated over time. Remember life has been on the planet for over 3.5 billion years - that is an awful long time for things to slowly change.

Just in case someone gives you the 2nd law of thermodynamics argument, this does not apply to life on Earth. We get about 1 kW/m^3 of power from the sun. That is an awful lot of energy and is quite enough to cause a local (planet Earth) reversal of entropy for a while.


If you really want to know, then go look around on www.talkorigins.org

It has all the scientific explanations complete with references.

Answer 4

The Big Ban is a theory. We will never know for sure since we cannot travel back in time. But there is enough evidence that suggest that the Big Ban actually did happen. Now you have to understand that the formation of the universe, as we know it now, took place over billions of years (that is a mind-boggling period of time). It didn't just happen in seven days. Then the explosion that you talk about created the elements that are the basic building blocks in the formation of starts and life here on earth. It wasn't like the universe was already formed and then the explosion. Again this happened over a long period of time. Enough time for life on earth to developed into the complexed life forms that exist today.

Answer 5

Isn't it amazing how a wrong premise leads to a wrong conclusion? And you are so wrong.

I'd like to see the equations in the Quran that predicts the elemental composition of Big Bang Nucleosynthesis. Or where it predicts the cosmic microwave background radiation.

Why do you think DNA and RNA are mutually exclusive? There is no physical law or chemistry that precludes the two being together. The only difference is a 2'-OH on the ribose and the organic synthesis is similar for both.

Then there is the errors of logic that begins your question. It is no different than asking, "If there is no tooth fairy, then how does Santa Clause deliver presents?"

I doubt the sincerity behind your question or your receptivity to intelligent answers. This is an odd place to ask about abiogenesis, RNA biology and cosmology if you wanted responses based on knowledge of those fields.

Answer 6

Of course nobody on this piddly rock knows for sure, all we have is ideas. Here's mine. The universe that we currently inhabit came from what we understand as the big bang, and all that matter is being flund radially outward from that point in space. It is actually a galaxy of galaxies. Right now, I theorize that we will keep moving outward untill we begin colliding with matter from other universe bangs, at which point another superdense condensation will occur, eventually resulting in another bang. This is a cyclical occurrance that happens in multiple locations many many times. What we perceive as the universe is just the largest part that we can conceive of a much larger, indeed infinite, space. Multiple universes exist simultaneously, but are so, so very far away that we may never be able to detect any, nor will we be around whenever we begin to encounter bits of other ones. Right now, there are beings in other universes in their contracting stages aware of what's happening to them, and theorizing what will become of them after the Big Smoosh.

Answer 7

Well the Big Bang Theory doesn't suggest that. It just gives no opinion about what was around before.

If you want to know what I think, Google "M Theory" It suggest a multi-universe with the cause of a new one being a collision in the underlying framework of existing universes.

RNA was around a long time before DNA in all likelihood.

Well the can build life in the lab as far as a virus and there is your start: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_29/c3792082.htm http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1072266v1


And since you like the Koran, it says the Sun sets in a murky spring. Good luck finding it. But be sure to let me know when you do.

Answer 8

I appreciate your sincerity in asking, but I think what separates atheists from theists is that we don't presume to know the origins of the universe.

All the major religions were born well before science (and those that were created afterwards are considered cults for the most part) when human beings were searching for some sense of meaning to life, and now so many thousands of years later, huge numbers of people still cling to these primitive beliefs. Evangelical Christians believe literally in the story of creation, even though we have studied ancient fossils and plants and can absolutely say that these things were not created 24-hour-days apart from each other.

Some people respond to this by saying that "science is the new religion," but science dictates no code of conduct and its "truths" constantly change as new discoveries are made. And of course, it's based on being able to prove things objectively through many kinds of tests--and proof is not what religion is about.

Atheists, being independent thinkers, will probably disagree on how the universe was created or why. What unites us is skepticism about some huge man who lives in the sky telling us that if we're good children, we go to heaven and if we're naughty children, we go to hell. That is some kind of bedtime story you tell five-year-olds so they'll behave and won't be afraid of death.

There's so much we can learn about the world, but only if we are not afraid to see it. I welcome the mystery of my life. I am in awe of all creation in a way that to me, feels holy. But I know I don't have all the answers. That's what keeps me humble--and an atheist.

Answer 9

As I have taken graduate level Cosmology and General Relativity. I will answer as much as I can.

1. Mass and energy actually form after the big bang event as a result of the rapid inflation. Gravitational Potential Energy is negative and forms in equal and opposite amounts to the mass and energy we observe. According to current theory it is believed total mass energy of the universe actually sums to zero.

That part was easy. Now we get more speculative. I will give you my opinion based on current up to date research.

It is my belief that mass/energy/space/time are not fundamental. Our understanding of reality is layered. The concepts we form are based on underlying concepts. Relativity hints very strongly that time is not fundamental and certainly not separate from space. When looked at from that perspective the universe is actually timeless and eternal even though we interpret it as perhaps having a beginning in time, time being merely derived from state difference.

Many top physicists and cosmologists hold the view that reality is based on mathematics. We interpret it as space/time/mass/energy because of two reasons:

we see so little of it.

we see it from within itself.

Some of your other questions:

DNA and RNA almost certainly evolved separately. Not at the same time. Likely DNA didn't evolve until much later.

It is possible that our earliest ancestor was a self reproducing RNA strand which formed from pre-existing chemicals. If you think that is unlikely, then let me ask you how much more complex is your god than an RNA strand. What is the likelihood of your infinitely more complex god just happening to exist in the exact form it does for no external reason at all.

The big bang says nothing about a "collision of dust particles" you should not learn your science from ancient myths. I suggest reading science books and see what science actually says.

The big bang theory is not in the Qu'ran. The big bang theory is a specific set of solutions to General Relativity. There is not even a single equation in the quran.

Answer 10

The notion that everything has to have a beginning an end comes from pre-disposition of the human mind. In our world, everything has a distinct beginning and ending, but that does not necessarily mean we can apply that to the entire universe. The fact is we just don't know and probably never will. Science will never be able to explain it so we will most likely continue to create religions and Gods from our minds to "Band-aid" the issue. Religions are the easy way out which provide us a quick and tidy answer so we can go on with our lives.

Answer 11

Actually there is a theory that is derived from M theory that suggests that there are a nearly infinite number of Universes, some existing within the same space. But two of these universes were reactive to one another and when they collided they exploded creating our universe. The pre-bang theory suggests that big bangs are actually quite common.

I will ring your doorbell and run away!!!