ATHEISTS: Is this PROOF of GOD>>>???

Question

It is impossible for nature to produce information. Nature produces patterns, but no information. For example, if you read "John Loves Mary" on a sandy beach, you can reason that nature didn't create it, but that a smart person(s) did. My point is that DNA is also information, it is a 4 letter alphabet that gives instructions for the body. Therefore, DNA "communicates" to us that there is an intellignet life out there---God.

As an analogy: In the movie "Contact", scientists scanned the sky and after much scanning, they recieved prime numbers in the signals, as a result, they reasoned that the numbers couldn't have happened by chance, but were the result of an intelligent life, same applies to God and DNA.

Lee Strobel ----check his "proofs of God" out on youtube.

Answer 1

Nope.

BTW, I've read Strobel's claptrap.

Answer 2

DNA is LIKE an alphabet, but it is literally a chemical that can self-replicate. DNA is only found in nature. The watchmaker argument doesn't work because the question of whether finding a carrot or a cucumber leads one to know that it must have been made by someone is precisely the question at issue.

DNA is found in nature, and we have never witnessed its spontaneous miraculous creation, so just how do you know that nature cannot produce information or organized complexity? After all, natural processes (based on DNA) turn a single cell into a human being.

Answer 3

I have never seen any conflict between science and religion and don't really think one can prove or disprove the other. Science can prove what exists but can't tell us why. Religion explains why everything exists but it can't be proven. It all comes down to faith and how you interpret the idea of the infinite and eternity. You can believe it is a sentient being that has an awareness of all of us and wants us to be really upset about boys kissing. Or you can believe that it is a giant, awesome creative force that we are only a small manifestation of and which does not have consciousness as we could ever understand it. I've always personally been fascinated by how atoms, the smallest building blocks we can observe, basically have the same structure as our universe. What does it mean? Either we're really big or really small. But what does that prove? Nothing really. Religion remains about faith.

Answer 4

The 4 letters in DNA were assigned by man to differentiate the 4 proteins that form DNA. And contact is just a movie.

Answer 5

How are you defining 'God'.........?

1. Old Testament version (male)
2. New Testament version (male)
3. Pagan version (female)
4. Native American version (Spiritual entity)
5. Creative energy.........?

When you say 'God' the first thing that pops into many minds is that Old/New Testament Christian picture........a male on a throne, casting out judgements, etc. It is very difficult to get past this image, which has been ingrained in many since birth, and is ridden with feelings of guilt, shame and fear.

I believe in an Intelligent Creator, who uses the process of evolution (slow change over time) as the method of creation.

However, it is hard to many to get past the Old/New Testament image.......which is tangled with guilt and shame, and parents, culture, church, and school.

Answer 6

No it is not.

Your premise is flawed.

This is basically the 2nd law of thermodynamics argument.

(Thanks for the drink)

This only applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system as the sun provides huge amounts of external power. This allows for local reverses of entropy and for complex things or originate from simple things.

Once you randomly produce a molecule that can almost perfectly reproduce itself faster than it decays evolution takes over and a large spectrum of variations of life are pretty much inevitable.

Answer 7

Why is it impossible for nature to produce information? Conversely DNA is a pattern not information. Either stick with one thesis or the other but don't claim both as true.

Answer 8

No this is not information but what happens when natural things are in certain configurations. Like pressure increasing with temperature etc. DNA and its results happen because of natural laws. You make a distinction when there is none.

Answer 9

Silly wabbit, DNA codes ARE patterns, passed down and mutated from generation to generation. What you described is survival of the fittest DNA patterns through selective procreation. Peace!

Answer 10

that doesnt make any sense
of course nature is patterns of information
nature created man also
so anything that man creates is created by nature
one fundamental law of nature is uniqueness
look at the number pi
it doesnt repeat
no pattern
look at time/space same thing
although there are patterns
there are never two things or moments
exactly the same

Answer 11

Lee Strobel is an idiot. I've read his book.

The very first sentence of your post is NOT TRUE.


For a simplified look at how random mutations can produce information, we can look at the string of characters Strobel gives us. "JOHNLOVESMARY."

If we start at a random string of that length and give a 5% chance of mutation each generation, keeping the successful mutations (those that advance toward "JOHNLOVESMARY"), I can usually reach "JOHNLOVESMARY" in 1000 to 2000 iterations, which is fairly small, especially for bacteria.

I even just wrote a program to test this. It's sometimes less time, too.


The keeping of successful mutations is equivalent to what natural selection does, sort of.



Intersting note: Increasing the length of the target string does NOT increase the number of iterations required as quickly. A string of length 1000 finishes only about twice as slowly as a string of length 13 (as in the example), at least in the trials I have run.

My program works for strings of arbitrary length and for a user-defined mutation probability. I use 5% for my trials.