Believers in god, please answer this.?

Question

"The little faith I used to have has been completely shattered. If God existed, He would have certainly not permitted that human beings be thrown alive into furnaces, and the heads of little toddlers be smashed with gun butts or shoved into sacks and gassed to death."


This was taken from the diary of 14 year old Rutka Laskier. She was a victim of the Holocaust.

I could not agree with her more, how could god let this happen to six million Jews?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_holocaust_diary

Jackal…you are absolutely correct, god does not exist, and neither does my mom, she died when I was very young.

To everyone who says to read the bible to find your answers. I have read the bible several times, and I have dismissed as nonsense, as it is full of lies, murder, and evil, all in the name of god, and sometimes from direct orders from god.

Also I was raised catholic and attended catholic school. I would bet that I know that bible better than most Christians on this site.

I am also aware of the supposed free will concept. For one, free will as given to us from god, is an ultimatum, it is not a choice. A choice is when you have more than one valid option.

And to the person who says that I am trying to argue against Christianity, please point out where I even mentioned a religion. God is not bias to any one religion. Please realize that there are many religions, and many of them have a god. Stop being so paranoid and arrogant.

Answer 1

Sorry... I am not a believer but I couldn't resist... It seems to me that God isn't at all as loving as everyone thinks... but that is just my opinion... I have no clue how people can have faith in something so cruel...

Answer 2

I can sympathize with your response to the suffering in the world. It can be difficult to reconcile the idea of a powerful being who could stop suffering and yet doesn't.

However, what if there was a good reason to allow suffering? Understanding the purpose of earth life is essential in understanding why God allows suffering to exist.

It may help to understand that earth life is an important part of God's plan for our education. Prior to birth we lived as spirit children of a Heavenly Father. In order to further our growth and development he prepared this earth and provided conditions under which we could potentially learn some things difficult to learn in His presence.

For example, I tell my children to always be honest and why this is important. I hope they'll obey, but they are more likely to understand why honesty is so important if they experience what happens when a relationship is damaged due to dishonesty.

God can and does teach us true principles through a variety of means, but in a way that requires us to develop an understand of how to tell the difference between right and wrong by having to deal with ambiguity and by experiencing what happens when people make both good and bad choices. Hopefully we don't have to make all the bad choices ourselves to gain this understanding. :-)

If you're not too practiced at ignoring your conscience, you'll have some feeling that what I've written is true. There are additional methods available for gaining even more certainty. I didn't make up these ideas -- they have been revealed through prophets of God and I've come to a knowledge that they are true.

The web site referenced below has additional information and some videos to help understand these things.

Answer 3

God has given mankind free will and moral capacity, thereby raising human beings above the level of mere intelligent animals. The Nazis had free will just like anyone else. In order to allow free will, God MUST allow such atrocities on the part of men. Free will would be meaningless if God said "I give you the power to choose between good and evel, but whenever you choose evil I'll jump in and make sure nobody gets hurt". The freedom to make moral decisions involves complete responsibility for decisions freely made. Whenever something evil happens people ask how God could let it happen. Apparently they would prefer that we be reduced to mere animal status, controlled by instinct, without free will and without moral responsibility. You can't have it both ways. If you want moral freedom, then accept full responsibility for your own actions, and don't blame God when men choose evil over good. The results of their free decisions are their responsibility, not God's.

Answer 4

God wasn't behind the Holocaust. You have to remember that God is not the author of confusion and sin, so stop laying such horror at His feet! Satan plants the seeds of evil in a man's heart. By his/her own free will (that you seem so ready to pooh-pooh) and his/her faith in God, they can overcome the evil that Satan has placed in their heart and hands to perform. I can understand the writing of young Miss Laskier, but this is not something any humble Christian person would perform! Jesus nor any of the early church saints ever committed such an atrocity against another soul! Even those such as Moses in the OT were forgiven for their deeds, otherwise God couldn't use them and bless them. If any of the people responsible in any small part for the Holocaust sought God's face with "...a godly sorrow" as the Scripture says shall receive forgiveness.

Answer 5

The "if God exists, why is there pain in the world" question has been addressed so many times. You can't have a world of free-will without consequences that result in pain. The only way to stop this would be a world full of robots at the very command of their maker so they could never do anything wrong, but that would be a world with no love involved. Many consequences of actions can kill tons of innocent people. This life is not fair, its corrupted, its not the way humans were supposed to live, its obvious to anyone who ever asks this question. But this life is only temporary.

Answer 6

going to church doesn't make you any more of a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car...








oh, and correct me if Im wrong, but didn't Jews kill jesus?
and didn't Hitler say he was doing God's work? so why would He intervein with something like that? God works wonders, and he lets many evil things happen for a reason...it's just the way he is.
Take the KKK for example, they are Christians whole heartedly, I know because my brother is in it. The things the Ku Klux Klan did was to take care of King Solomion's failure to kill all the "dark soldiers". The people that killed the six million jews may feel the same way as my Klan. They killed Jesus, and it was said that evil will always be on Earth until all "dark soldiers" were gone. they did what they believed and killed them off.
does this change your perspective?

Answer 7

God has no control over what people do. He knows there is sin in the world. He's not going to wave a magic wand every time someone has problems.

God is here for guidence. He's not here to save everyone from their problems.

I am not perfect by any means. I have so many problems that I create and others create for me. I have found faith in the past few years.

I have probably made more mistakes than I can count on two hands. I just want some peace.

Answer 8

It's a very sad thing when people go through horrible tragedies. I don't believe that God specifically WANTS that for us though, rather he ALLOWS it. I couldn't believe in a God who wanted me to be miserable.

Yes it was a horrible thing that happened, but God gives us trials and tribulations to help us grow. Even if they seem bad, they help us to learn from our mistakes and help others avoid the same things that we have stumbled into. I believe in my heart that those who have died such horrible deaths like in the Holocaust will be in heaven with God. They have no more pain and I believe that will be forever happy with the Lord.

If God stops every bad act from occurring, there would be no free will, thus taking away our choices to follow Him or to go against Him. It completely wipes out the purpose of our existence.

Think about when Jesus Christ was in Gethsemane. He was in so much pain that he asked God if he would "remove this cup from him." In the end though, he recognized that he needed to do God's will and not his own, which was to stop the horrible pain. God allowed his son to die even though he was in pain and agony on the cross so that all mankind could be saved through his atoning sacrifice. If He did not allow these kind of things to happen, we couldn't grow and progress and help others with their grief.

Answer 9

Those people who do all of those bad things aren't believers in God. God has no control over the bad things that bad people do. All God can do is to be apart of good peoples lives who can stop these tragedies from occurring. Six million more Jewish people would have died the same death if it wasn't for the efforts of the good religious people in the world. I 'm not saying you are a bad person if you don't believe in God, just that God help threw people who believe in him.

Answer 10

hmm, I'm a believer, so I would say this: "God has His reason to do that, coz God's way can't be guessed by people".

I think God done this for better in future. But I dont know, coz I'm not a God.

It's certainly very very mean to me..

And I think, they are Jews or not Jews, if its their fates, they must face it...
It's not depends to the religion. Religion just bring the people to His way, so the rest is up to you and what you do in your life...
So believe in Him its the only way that perfect...

Sorry if the answer dont match with the Q.

Answer 11

Why did America permit it? Why did England? Why did Russia, Rome and the rest of the free world allow the slaughter of the Jews? Why did they buy into Hitler's Germany? Why did they financially support the 3rd Reich? It was not God who permitted the holocaust. It was Man.