Do the border security 'triggers' in the new immigration proposal have enough teeth?

Question

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20070529-9999-1n29immig.html

"But what if illegal immigration continues as it has for three decades even if all the steps are taken and all the triggers are met?

“Then we'll know we haven't done enough,” said Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., a supporter of the compromise.

Meanwhile, critics argue, millions of probationary and green cards will have been given out. "

I think that the border security triggers are a joke, such as cutting the already enacted fence requirement in half and calling it security.

What do you think?

wicked, that is funny, and I am not associated with anything like La Raza - they wouldn't have me, my 'Raza' is wrong. And the bill is a sell out. Please folks, DO read it, including pages 210-211.

But really, the first section is enough. BEFORE any triggers at all are met or a decent screaning could possibly be given, there is legalization - temporary, but it lasts until the triggers are met... which may be never.

Wicked a) I have read it. And b) even if I hadn't those two pages would kill it in my opinion. It says to me there is no intent to enforce the law as against 'contiguous countries' as it so often terms them in the bill.

xoil the current law says they have to build 700 miles of fence. This bill says only 370 miles. That isn't even a step in the right direction. No bill at all is MUCH better than this bill.

Answer 1

No, the 'triggers' are basically meaningless. The bill grants Amnesty - legal residency - up front. If the triggers aren't met, that Amnesty remains, it's just that no path to citizenship opens up. That doesn't matter in the long run, since the children of those who take the Amnesty will be born in America, and thus be Americans, anyway.


The last Amnesty was also in this from. Amnesty first, enforcement, if we feel like it, later. The Amnesty was a great 'success' it was offered to 2.6 million and granted to 5 million! The enforcement - as the 12+ million illegals in the US today prove - was not.


This time it's going to have to be enforcement first.

Answer 2

Border risk-free practices is the duty of the federal government no longer the state of Arizona. Arizona has been pushed into doing what the federal government has did no longer do; furnish a secure and take care of atmosphere for his or her electorate. we've immigration rules that are no longer being enforced subsequently issues as considered in Arizona have become elementary place in the time of america. we'd desire to enforce our immigration rules and on the comparable time replace the Immigration rules to extra clever symbolize our present day desires; no longer the purposes or desires of human beings from different international places. The illegals enter this usa, march in our streets, take down our flag, boycott U.S. agencies and scream for his or her rights; they are criminals and haven't any rights. we want immigration reform yet we don't need AMNESTY FOR THE ILLEGALS!

Answer 3

You don't think the enforcement aspects of the bill will work?

Do you think they will fail completely?

What if they stem the problem by 50%? 75%? or even 25%? Isn't that a step up from where we are now?

I am of the opinion that the new security measures aren't fool-proof but that they are better than where we are now.

Especially the work-place verification and increased fines for employers who hire illegals.

Answer 4

I agree with everything except granting those who are illegal, temporary amnesty. I know it would be hard to deport all of them, but would it be any easier to give them all greencards? Would it be cheaper? What's to stop thousands more from coming here NOW to get those greencards...and what's to stop them from doing exactly what they're doing now? They're already illegal. Why go through the motions of getting a temporary greencard and having that background check run, limiting their time to be here...when they could just come illegally, stay until deported and do it all again? Not to mention...why run a background check on someone you KNOW is committing a criminal act before you even start? They're ILLEGAL aliens. They knew it was illegal when they crossed the border.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against immigrants coming here if you really want to be an AMERICAN CITIZEN, but somewhere along the line, we've confused immigration as we first knew it...(people coming from other countries to become American citizens and make a good, solid life here) with allowing every Tom Dick and Harry to waltz in, take American jobs and send the money home, all while cursing America and waving their own flag. I'm sorry, but that is NOT what the 'tradition' of immigration is.

Answer 5

Nope, we dont need an immigration reform bill AT ALL. The laws are there, it was written in the original CONSTITUTION that our borders should be protected. The government has failed. They arn't doing their ALREADY assigned job. Time for them to step up instead of copping out. Deport every last one of them, call them a felon, and never let them back in. Ya see, they have already brainwashed you by making you think we even need the bill. So therefor ANY bill will be a disgrace. And any bill will be less than what is already called for.

Answer 6

Of course there will be more illegal immigrants, anytime you use a reward system to handle those who break the law you are setting yourself up for a never ending wave of the "me too's" illegal immigration should not be handled this way...

To answer your question no it does not have enough teeth, and what teeth it does have will be extracted because we do not ENFORCE anything.......... I wonder what (if any) penalties will apply to those companies who choose to ignore the last trigger?

Answer 7

I think you are a member of La Raza and trying to rile people up over the bill so in the end La Raza will get their way about things.The new bill is really tough and has the means to be an excellent way to deal with our present situation but for some reason you REALLY don't want it to pass.I have to ask why since it's one of the toughest we've seen?Are you trying to rile people up against it for your own agenda of making it more lenient which is what many are now lobbying for?ARE you La Raza pretending to be anti ?People please check on the bill yourselves and make your own opinions.I think you're being mislead by so called Anti's who really aren't or would support tougher laws.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/

Answer 8

I totally agree. The triggers they list are so vague and what % of completeness do these triggers need to be before they turn on the Z visa faucet. That immigration proposal is so full of holes and is up to ones personal interpretation.

Answer 9

Not in 1986 and not in 2007

Answer 10

The question I asked myself reading this bill was: "Suppose they don't register?" Who will know? What happens then? Without aggressive enforcement this bill is just another bandaid on an arterial wound. It should be scrapped and rewritten WITH proper enforcement "triggers".