The liver is not bad for him other than the fact that when you cook a carnivore's food, you deprive it of nutrition. Liver is very nutritious and large quantities are not required, or recommended because of the high levels of vitamin A but a small amount once or twice a week is a good addition to the diet.
Here is a discussion about liver on another message board that you might find useful:
http://bbs.sitstay.com/showflat.php?Cat=1,2,3,4,9&Board=Recipies&Number=213535&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=2
Lahoma
http://www.ahealthierpet.com
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Okay, so what if your vet and breeder say if it is a good food. Have them back up their answers w/ more than "because I say so". Dogs are carnivorous animals. They are a sub-species of wolf and their scientific name was changed from canis familiaris to canis lupus familiaris back in 1994 to reflect this fact.
It is bad enough that dogs are expected to thrive on something as unnatural as chrunchy little carb loaded turds and it is even worse when the "scientists" don't have enough sense to make the first ingredient some type of meat. I would suggest you ask questions beyond the acne problem regarding canine nutrition and find those answers on your own b/c most people have no idea what to tell you. People have to be proactive nowadays if they want to get anything done right.
I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to help your dog.
Lahoma
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First off, I'm curious as to why Dobies aren't supposed to have liver when there are many a glowingly healthy raw fed dobie in the world. They, of course eat raw liver on a weekly basis b/c liver is part of prey animals and is an excellent food.
Are the liver treats liver or liver flavored? Are they simply dehydrated liver or are there chemicals added to them?
Also, the ingredient list for the food you're feeding is terrible. The food should have some sort of meat listed as the first ingredient such as Tiberwolf Organics --> (from site listed below)
Timberwolf strives to create dry food diets that closely resemble the diet of wolves in the wild (your dogs ancestors). They believe in using high levels of animal meat, high levels of kelp and other seaweeds, vegetables, fruits, whole grains, herbs, seeds and nuts, taurine, sulfur, probiotics, high levels of essential fatty acids, and in general only the highest quality ingredients.
In addition to these basic ingredients, below are the main meat and carbohydrate sources of the formulas (see below for a complete ingredients list):
Black Forest Venison, lamb, and brown rice. A good hypo-allergenic formula, may be used in the management of canine obesity and for low protein or low fat diets.
Lamb with Apples - Lamb and barley with high levels of nutrients. A good hypo-allergenic formula.
Wilderness Elk Elk, salmon, millet, sweet potatoes. A good hypo-allergenic formula, may be used in the management of canine obesity and for moderate protein diets.
Ocean Blue Fish, salmon, potatoes, kelp, alfalfa. A good hypo-allergenic formula, may be used in the management of canine obesity and for moderate protein diets.
Southwest Chicken & Herbs Chicken, turkey, oats, brown rice, barley, and plentiful herbs that are useful for digestion.
Dakota Bison Bison, salmon, millet, sweet potatoes, oats. A good hypo-allergenic formula, may be used in the management of canine obesity and for moderate protein diets.
Wild & Natural Chicken, salmon, and potatoes with high levels of nutrients. An extra small kibble size, making it ideal for small dogs. Grain-Free!
Black Forest Ingredients: Venison, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Lamb, Whole Ground Millet, Lamb Meal, Venison Meal, Whole Ground Barley, Low Ash Salmon Meal, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Carrot, Watercress, Spinach, Celery, Parsley, Fennel Seed, Wild Salmon Oil, Unrefined Walnut Oil, Atlantic Kelp, Alfalfa Leaf, Amaranth*, Blueberries, Glucosomine, Potassium Chloride, Cranberries, Pears, Figs, Thyme, Anise Seed, Ground Cinnamon Bark, Fenugreek, Garlic Pieces, Sunflower Seeds, Apples, Chicory Root, Spirulina, Choline Chloride, Lecithin, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Lactis, Bacillus Bifidum, Streptococcus Diacetilactis, Bacillus Subtillus), Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Lysine, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine, Methionine, Carnitine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Copper Proteinate, Selenium Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract
Guaranteed Analysis: Protein 22%, Fat 12%, Fiber 5%, Moisture 9%, Ash 6%, Kcal/kg 3,530, Omega-6 Fatty Acids 2.6%, Omega-3 Fatty Acids 1.2% , Calcium 1.2%, Phosphorous .9, Vitamin A 22,000 IU/KG, Vitamin D 1,200 IU/KG, Vitamin E 350 IU/KG, Copper 16mg/KG
Lamb & Apples Ingredients: Lamb, Salmon Meal, Lamb Meal, Salmon, Whole Ground Oats, Whole Ground Barley, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract), Whole Ground Flaxseed, Unrefined Walnut Oil, Watercress, Spinach, Celery, Parsley, Fennel Seed, Dried Goats Milk, Atlantic Kelp, Alfalfa Leaf, Wild Salmon Oil, Cottage Cheese, Potassium Chloride, Rosemary, Amaranth*, Apples, Cinnamon, Thyme, Dried Carrots, Anise Seed, Ginger Root, Basil, Dried Mint, Choline Chloride, Lecithin, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Lactis, Bacillus Bifidum, Streptococcus Diacetilactis, Bacillus Subtillus), Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Lysine, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine, Methionine, Carnitine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Copper Proteinate, Selenium Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract
Guaranteed Analysis: Protein 28%, Fat 18%, Fiber 3%, Moisture 9%, Ash 6.9%, Kal/kg 3,920, Ega-6 Fatty Acids 3.8%, Omega-3 Fatty Acids 1.3%, Calcium 1.8%, Phosphorous 1.4, Vitamin A 22,000 IU/KG, Vitamin D 1,200 IU/KG, Vitamin E 350 IU/KG, Copper 16mg/KG
Wilderness Elk Ingredients: Fresh Elk, Salmon Meal, Millet, Sweet Potatoes, Oats, Flaxseed, Carrot, Watercress, Spinach, Celery, Parsley, Fennel Seed, Wild Salmon Oil, Atlantic Kelp, Alfalfa, Potassium Chloride, Amaranth*, Currants, Cranberries, Pears, Figs, Thyme, Anise Seed, Ground Cinnamon Bark, Fenugreek, Garlic Pieces, Sunflower Seeds, Sesame Seeds, Apples, Chicory Root, Spirulina, Choline Chloride, Lecithin, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Lactis, Bacillus Bifidum, Streptococcus Diacetilactis, Bacillus Subtillus), Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Lysine, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine, Methionine, Carnitine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract
Guaranteed Analysis: Protein 26%, Fat 16%, Fiber 3%, Moisture 9%, Kcal/kg 3,680, Omega-6 Fatty Acids 3.8%, Omega-3 Fatty Acids 1.4%, Calcium 1.4%, Phosphorous 1.1, Vitamin A 22,000 IU/KG, Vitamin D 1,200 IU/KG, Vitamin E 350 IU/KG, Copper 16mg/KG
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Here is yours:
Ingredients
Chicken Meal, Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat Flour, Rice Bran, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Plain Beet Pulp, Soybean Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Natural Flavors, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Lecithin, Dried Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Taurine, Biotin, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Manganese Proteinate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Manganous Oxide, Chondroitin Sulfate, Niacin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid.
Lahoma
http://www.ahealthierpet.com/
2007-05-30 05:19:43
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