Where did we all start off?

Question

This question is imposed primarily to atheists who do not believe in a sole deity responsible for creating the life we live today. Considering the whole "cause and effect" principle, a principle we have grown to fully accept, constant regression is evident. If variable B makes variable C, then what is it that makes variable B? Variable A. But what makes variable A?

Atheism/religion shouldn't come down to a nitpicking contest, nor should it focus on minute detail. The basics, the origins, is where the most appropriate question lies. To atheists, what is the sole cause of the universe? Do not answer "the big bang." I now the big bang theory, and personally believe in it. However, the big bang theory relies on the content in the universe to be executed. Where did the first matter/particles/energy come from? If not by the will of God, did these particles become something from the force of nothing?

** God does not have regressive limits Himself because only natural things contained within the universe are subjected to this rule. God is a supernatural deity, so the laws we treat our physical universe with cannot be subdued on Him. The infinite loop of going back and back to the original cause can be stopped only with a supernatural force not affected by the limitations of our universal laws.

If nothing impedes on this infinite regression, then we are bound in an inextricable route with no feasible vicissitude.

Answer 1

A short question, but the answer is very large and complex - just look at 'where do babies come from' to get the idea.

OK, first off, drop this idea of CAUSES being universally necessary. They aren't - especially in the quantum world, where cause&effect is completely dominated by probability. Radioactive materials, for instance, decay according to precisely definable rates. But there is absolutely no way to determine when a specific uranium atom will undergo fission - it could be microseconds or millennia - there's no telling. And this is because there is no 'cause' involved: the decay is entirely probabilistic.

All we can say - because that's all the information there is - is that in a given time a fixed percentage of atoms will fission. And that's not because we can't DETECT an underlying cause - there simply isn't one. It's worth pondering the weirdness of that. Doing so led Schrödinger to his dead/alive cat, and the concept of superpositions of states.

Nor does the constantly-repeated line about matter being neither created nor destroyed that people seem to think belies the Big Bang entirely. In fact, virtual particles constantly pop into existence - it's going on in and around both of us right now.

So: no Prime Cause needed, and no fundamental restrictions on the creation of matter. With these in mind, look at the URL below to see an overview of the events taking place at the Big Bang.

Having examined that stay in Wikiped to view the pages on the Planck Epoch - the first 1E-43 of a second in which the Singularity first appeared, and when all of the deeply weird stuff happened, while the universe was so tiny that the Singularity could tunnel out of its cloak and warp space severely enough to make a universe.

Good luck.

CD

Answer 2

Good question but a little short on content.

The big bang (let their be light) , I agree was creation Or at least I think it was. But people need to know that the only way you can have the creation is with an intelligent creator that is outside the physical laws of the universe, space and time.

God was not created and is not old or young, God created time and physical laws and can move in or out of those laws. No other explanation makes any sense.

Intellectuals wish us to believe their fairy tales and they call us ignorant. Darwins work is long fell by the wayside of truth, hackels embryos were fake from the begining, the cambrain explosion turned Darwins tree upside down and all that is leftr is God on the side of truth.

Darwin never knew about DNA, Amino acid sequencing, irreducably complex machines within our own bodies.

People need to study the truth and find God before it's to late.

Look up : The kalam cosmological argument.
Read "The case for a creator" by Lee Strobel

Answer 3

The only honest answer we can give is that we do not know. The universe could be oscillating between 'bangs' and 'crunches'. This is not incompatible with the existence of God - the doctrine of creation out of nothing did not exist in Christianity until after the New Testament period, and only became the norm in Judaism in the Middle Ages. An eternal universe either that God orders or that is part of God's existence ("in him we live and move and exist") is not incompatible with Christianity or theism more generally. Then of course there is the question whether the expansion we see is accurate and if so whether it is truly universal or only in a small portion of a universe larger than we can see. There are plenty of unanswered questions, and pretending we know the answers will not help.

Faith in God should be (as Paul Tillich emphasized) an affirmation about the nature of reality, of Being itself, the existence of which is undeniable.

Answer 4

If you want to use the term 'God' to refer to the matter that existed at the time of the Big Bang, then go ahead. But according to the Big Bang theory, that god could not possibly have any effect on the universe after the Big Bang. So the existence of such a god is not only unknowable, but ultimately irrelevant.
Indeed, whatever the source of that matter was, it is physically impossible for us to find out and it has no impact on the universe from the Big Bang onward. And it certainly couldn't have anything to do with any modern religion.

Answer 5

First,one cannot use the cause and effect principle and then excuse said god from the very principle you are using. That is a self defeating argument. Also,if a god did "start"the big bang,That is a god of the deism flavor,one that does not interfere with the creation. It is OK with me to believe that a Cause began the big bang. But it is a looooong way from that to the concept of a personal being who suspends the laws of physics and cares whether you cut your hair or not,where you put your penis,and requires worship or even notice from us

Answer 6

The fact that all matter in the universe has always existed may be hard to understand, but no more so than the idea that God has always existed.
Many scientist now accept that there was a series of "big bangs". That the universe is constantly remaking itself.

Answer 7

The problem with the question is that it assumes linear time.

I'm a Taoist atheist and my personal belief is that there such a thing as 'eternity' and it has no beginning. There are no firsts. There was always something before it. And before that. And before that. And before that and so on. In fact, time may not be linear at all!

All this is just another fluctuation and expression of a possible reality. Maybe that's not useful in practical terms, but this kind of pondering seldom is.

Answer 8

Why shouldn't God require a regression as well?

And if you can just decree by fiat that some things don't need a regression, why not skip a step and say it's the universe that exists without causation?

Answer 9

If you believe the big bang then you know no one knows where that first piece of energy came from, at least not for sure. There are new and exciting theories about it like the M theory

Answer 10

Google "M Theory" if you want to know what I think. It is too long to fit in this box.

But not knowing is better than making up an answer.

"It is always better to have no ideas than false ones; to believe nothing, than to believe what is wrong."
--Thomas Jefferson