Vegans why is it you have no clue about nature?

Question

Where do you come off saying you love animals when the products you choose to wear on your feet that are made from petroleum causes more harm to the animals ecosystem by the drilling and manufacture of toxic waste plus the fact those shoes do not biodegade. When leather is a byproduct of animals killed for food, does not pollute the ecosystem and are biodegradable.

I am not here to offend anyone with this question, I am simply wondering how anyone that proposes to love animals condones the use of products that actually harms them in the long run.

I just want to thank those that answered truthfully. I feel that we humans are part of nature, we are animals ourselves. We are omnivores that can survive on either flesh or vegies. But as humans we need to conduct ourselves with a respect for our planet and all the life in it. I am not against plastics but all petro based products need to be manufactured in a ecofriendly manner and recycled. I spend my weekends hiking out in the beauty of nature knowing full well that I am part of the food chain. If a mountain lion decides I would be a tasty morsel, well that sucks, but that is life and I accept that. I do eat meat, but I would only hunt something I intend to eat because I am starving and I hate mushrooms:). I would never kill anything for something to put on my wall. I do not push my carnivorous views on anybody, to me it is the same as ones choices in music, meaning to each their own. The health benifits of a vegie diet are not conclusive in my opinion. and I am out of room here.

Answer 1

If hemp looked more fashionable I would wear
it, but I only go so deep. I like P.V.C for now.
You raise a valid point, but I see P.V.C. and
other synthethics as the lesser between two
evils.

Thank you for raising a valid question and
concern. I have mulled it over all day and
decided to find out if there is a way to
recycle my tote bags, chess bag, wallet,
belts, and shoes that are all made of PVC
or some other synthethic. If there isn't then
this a probably a good problem for some
ecologically concerned and innovative
person to solve.

Answer 2

Well, I am not a vegan. I don't wear fur or real leather. I don't support the cruelty of animals or believe in experimenting on them. The only thing that I do that might show support to the cruelty of animals in the eyes of vegans, is eat meat. Although that is not what I am trying to do in any means. Maybe some people might find me a hypocrite for saying this (hey I kind of think I am too) but I love animals. I don't think someone is a bad person for eating meat or they need to be a vegan to be an animal lover. I believe in free range farming as so does alot of other meat eaters. However, I have been thinking lately on becoming a vagan because I have seen the menu and it ain't that bad or just reducing my intake. The thing is, I read a whole bunch of messages from vegan saying that it's wrong to eat meat and wear fur, but yet they still keep their leather clothing. And now I hear that peta kills animals. So I am not sure what is going on but If someone is to become a vegan, it should be for them and what they feel in their hearts. We also should not judge people whether they are vegans or not. It ain't our place and besides, judging just ain't for me.

Answer 3

Well I begin by saying I am fairly uneducated on this topic, which is in a spectrum of enviromental issues I would like to understand more and will eventually do my best to as my mind and time allow.

I took enough time to think this out and do a little research and this is what I came up with.

Polyurethane and PVC or any plastics we use are a huge part of our world.

You may say so is breeding and eating animals..which it is.

But the thing with plastics is they serve thousands of useful beneficial purposes. Don't get me wrong..I'm not backing up plastics.. I hate even using chemicals or anything synthesized.

Take 500 years for these plastics to biodegrade..or we can burn them off and pollute our world. So I agree - it's terrible...but we as vegans have a much better shot at changing the world by helping people see a healthier way then we do convincing them to remove all synthetics.

Eating animals isn't doing anything for anyone beneficial - it's a choice. Although using plastic is as well a choice. If you were to suddenly restrict all use and manufacturing of plastic...or if you were to suddenly restrict eating meat, byproducts and stop using them in products for cosmetics, bath and clothing among other things - our lives could go on flawlessly with the latter..I can't imagine how devastating it'd be with the former.

I'm not condoning using plastic, but we have to pick our battles. If animal breeding and the eventual consuming of them was eliminated entirely I'd imagine most diseases would be nullified, people with sicknesses would seemingly magically recover, and a lot of people would probably have much more energy... combined with motivation could equal more participation in our world..we could utilize so much more land to grow food for so many more people and theres so many other impacts in the lines of runoff from factories and animal farms, money and labor used in the meat industry that could be put towards other things in a still profitable captilized way.

One last thing though..I'd appreciate if you asked for peoples opinions instead of forcing them out through antagonism..

Of course we have reasons for the things we do, just prefer to be asked nicely ;) Vegans are probably the least hipocritical people I've come across..but by default we are fighting a very large battle and for the time being are stuck with some temporary inconsistancies. I'm no happier about it then the person who's opposing or trying to call me out(who may I add is typically doing nothing or less then me for a solution to 'any' problem we both may share as humans) but I'm not afraid to admit it or do my best to work towards fixing it.

Answer 4

Starting a question off by saying "where do you come off" is not a good way to ask something if your true intentions aren't to stir things up.

The V&V's here are heartily sick of meat eaters coming here to bang the drum for meat eating. If you were secure about it, you wouldn't be here trying to get people to agree with you that it's OK. Deep down you know it isn't or you would just eat it and not harass others who point out, by example, that what you do is both wrong and uneccesary.

If that moutain lion kills you in the wild, that's one thing. How would you feel if that lion set up a people farm and kept you in a cage until you were big enough, then put you on a killing assembly line and missed you with a stunning blow, sending you to have your skin steamed off while still alive? That would be a bit different wouldn't it?

Answer 5

What is your point? That wearing leather which supports slaughterhouse (eating meat in turn leaves more people hungry than fed) and animal cruelty is somehow better than wearing PVC? Veganism is not about perfection, but compassion. We live in a cruel world and sometimes choice isnt between good and bad,but between bad and worse. In this case wearing a dead animal is far worse than pvc. By the way there are other materials available for those who can afford it. But you just like pointing out what vegans do wrong. Instead of asking yourself what good YOU can do.

Answer 6

Production of leather basically involves soaking, tanning, dyeing, drying, and finishing. Over 95 percent of all leather produced in the U.S. is chrome-tanned. The effluent that must be treated is primarily related to the beamhouse and tanning operations. The most difficult to treat is effluent from the tanning process. All wastes containing chromium are considered hazardous by the U.S. EPA.In India,alot of leather processing is done by hand,which can lead to contamination of local drinking sources,which can be harmful for many townspeople.Many other pollutants involved in the processing of leather are associated with environmental and health risks. In terms of disposal, one would think that leather products would be biodegradable, but the primary function for a tanning agent is to stabilize the collagen or protein fibers so that they are no longer biodegradable.

I have several pairs of shoes of shoes that are made from 100% recycled materials.If Ashley caused you to post this,then take it out on her,not us veggies,she doens't represent all of us,if you look at her question history she is nothing but a troll.

Answer 7

Your science is untrue (see Time Magazine link below). The raising of cattle causes more harm because of the nitrous oxide in manure and the methane gas. Methane has a warming effect that is 23 times as great as that of carbon, while nitrous oxide is 296 times as great. Given the amount of energy consumed raising, shipping and selling livestock, a 16-oz.T-bone is like a Hummer on a plate.

I guess you would be a proponent for Soylent Green too? It fits the same reasons you list above. Read Swift's "A Modest Proposal" (link below).

Answer 8

I will not link all vegans and vegetarians together...on animal activists for that matter.

But when the leader of PETA says: I hope hoof and mouth disease comes to America because the cows would suffer less than they do in slaughter houses, I ABSOLUTELY call her a radical, idiotic liar who would say anything to make everyone stop eating meat. I would love to see her get hoof and mouth disease.

My brother worked in a slaughter house (2 actually) and two HUGE myths that he will stand up against.

Myth 1: Slaughter houses are cruel. Many of us have seen the video of them hanging a cow by its back feet and cutting its throat while alive. Or the one of those idiots throwing chickens against the wall. All of those videos are either very old and have since been regulated, or are the rare idiot savage...not what regularly happens. The majority of slaughter houses kill the animals instantly with a single bullet.

Myth 2: (This has nothing to do with cruelty, but is a fun fact) Hot dogs are not all lips and @ssholes or guts or whatever you have heard. They are simply scraps. You could find anything from cube steak to filet scraps. There is nothing gross about them.


As for myself. I eat meat. I believe that God put them on this planet for our nourishment. I do not, however, believe in cruelty to animals in any way. As for the raising cows causing a methane problem...I am trying to help...I try to keep the cow population down by eating them.

Answer 9

Amen to everything veganconscript said. Very well-thought-out, intelligent and convincing... as a vegan also, you've helped me to come to terms with the issue myself. Thanks!

I'm referring to the answerer above me, veganconscript, not the author of the question. Why all the thumbs down??

Answer 10

Meat-eaters. Why is it that you generalise about all vegans or vegetarians and never seem to be able to cite a specfic example for your statements ?

Go on, point me to named individual that you know is a vegan and "has no clue about nature" ?

We run a vegetarian and vegan guest house and your statement is plain nonsense.

most vegans wear natural shoes, not plastic. Plastic shoes are the cheap alternative to leather that most vegans wouldn't touch with a bargepole.