do you suppose?

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do you suppose more people would believe in the judeo-christian god if the people who made him up weren't so overzealous. had they had a working knowledge of physics they would have known that you can't created matter from nothing. so they would have probably left the whole story of creation out or, at the very least, altered it to where god didn't create the universe but rather he formed it with the materials that already existed. and maybe they would have realized that people would have questioned god's perfection, and thus wouldn't have insisted on making it such a staple throughout the bible.

eri, even pair production assumes there's an initial mass. it's based on a certain amount of matter having momentum. the story of creation teaches that there wasn't even that.

j.p. my bad, i only refer to it as judeo-christian in the sense that the jewish god is the basis for the christian god.

dilldinger, wow!!! a bible verse!!! no way!!! i would've never expected a christian to use to the bible to support the bible!!!

Answer 1

Eh, still wouldn't give me any reason to believe it. And you CAN get matter from nothing - look up pair production.

Answer 2

Why do you keep including Jews in your questions via the term 'Judeochristian'?

The two cultures could not be more different. Judaism doesn't generally concern itself with an afterlife nor does it require a literal interpretation of things that are clearly not literal (such as the creation story). Judaism is a rather practical, down to Earth, "How can I do well in this life?" Conversion is not desired in Judaism, in fact, it's strongly distrusted, so prosyletization is practically unheard of.

Christianity, on the other hand, tries to convert, is based on pagan faiths with a touch of Judaism sprinkled in, and totally mortifies this life believing in a paradise afterlife.

The modern western civilization has no serious ties to Judaism, it's all Christian.


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Dillenger:

Who said anything about the deity you believe in? I spoke strictly of the culture. Christian culture and Jewish culture are almost entirely distinct, despite the common claim to Yahweh.

Answer 3

Actually the Jewish / Christian Old Testament were stolen from ancient Sumerian writings. Writings that put the figure known as God as being an alien race that used genetic engineering to alter the primative man on this planet into the form we now have.

In these writings the flood, sodom & Gomorrah and plagues in egypt are explained. None of which were a judgement or actions of a God! In fact only one involved actions from an alien race and that was Sodom & Gomorrah.

As for the existence of a God figure that is just pure myth. Ideas of primative man to explain what they could not understand!

Answer 4

that's creationism, the belief that god formulated the universe from stuff already here. It leaves too unopened questions, like why is the stuff here, how did it get here, etc. The only reasoning that makes sense to me is what some call emanationism, is that God, as the principle of life, emanated himself out of himself as a natural property of his being, and because this image is close to him, but not him, you have the working universe, which is real and self sufficient, but not God himself. And since the universe is like God, but not, it tries to emulate itself, but can't, so what you have is basically a universe that seems like it wants to be able to create and have intelligence (i.e an intelligent, created God), but in reality it can't do that, so we as humans are left looking up at the sky searching for answers.

And I believe, though, that the entire salvation of this belief system rests on the fact that our human minds can contemplate this origin and escape from the limitations of the natural order to become and realize our true self, the all-present soul of existence. That soul of existence, could be called God, but then you get in a bit of problems since it can't be labelled or thought of consciously, only with direct spiritual knowledge, which is turning the mind around upon itself and expanding it within the infinite mind of God. This is called gaining in spiritual wisdom.

Answer 5

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THIS GUY AGAIN? JP, we worship the same God, we use the OT, it is the same God! What in the world are you talking about?

Sorry about that.
John, Chapter 6

44"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.'[a] Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me."

Listen to the father, not mere men who are inherently wicked. You are once again making the cardinal atheist error of confusing God with religion or your perception thereof.

Answer 6

NO ONE MADE HIM UP...
GOD exists....