Evolutionists...can you explain creation?

Question

I mean, something had to create gravity and matter. Can you have creation without a creator...

and if you can't (for the believer's), what created the Creator?

Can we please refrain from sarcasm, it's not really a desirable as an attribute as you would think.

Instead, can we engage in intelligent and respectful commentary.

old school...and yet, you still answer it

landshark...yes I did, and per the big bang theory, gravity and matter existed before the earth's mass gathered...want to try again. without matter, gravity couldn't exist, but what generates the pull between two large masses..

Selnyk...like your answer, we don't really know do we. Just have to have faith, I guess

Selynk...guess I should have specified, I like the first part of your answer

Gracie...read the whole question please.

Answer 1

Nobody created the Creator. He was always was- and will be forever. Some of these people really have it right- and some don't!

Answer 2

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. This isn't a evolutionary biology question, it's a astrophysics one. You should have titled your question "Astrophysicists...can you explain creation?". :-)


The big bang theory states that at some time in the distant past there was nothing. A process known as vacuum fluctuation created what astrophysicists call a singularity. There's a few different theories as to what triggered the singularity. But anyways...

In the beginning of the universe physical laws as we know them did not exist due to the presence of incredibly large amounts of energy, in the form of photons. Some of the photons became quarks, and then the quarks formed neutrons and protons. Eventually huge numbers of Hydrogen, Helium and Lithium nuclei formed. The process of forming all these nuclei is called big bang nucleosynthesis. Theoretical predictions about the amounts and types of elements formed during the big bang have been made and seem to agree with observation. Furthermore, the cosmic microwave background (CMB), a theoretical prediction about photons left over from the big bang, was discovered in the 1960's and mapped out by a team at Berkeley in the early 1990's.

After some period of time following the big bang, gravity condensed clumps of matter together. The clumps were gravitationally pulled towards other clumps and eventually formed galaxies. It is extremely difficult to model how this clumping may have occurred, but most models agree that it occurred faster than it should have. A possible explanation is that right after the big bang the Universe began a period of exaggerated outward expansion, with particles flying outward faster than the current speed of light. This explanation is known as inflation theory, and has widespread advocacy within the astrophysics community because it reconciles theory with observation.

Modern physics admits that gravity is very different from other forces (strong, electromagnetic and weak) and perhaps less understood. Newton first described and formalized effects of gravity. Einstein made a significant step in understanding its nature and improved the way we can estimate it. Still, we cannot really tell what causes gravity and why it is so special among other forces. Calling it a “field”, a “universal force” does not help explaining it.

Gravity as an inertial phenomenon in curved space caused by rotation of the universe in respect to higher dimensions, methinks.

Answer 3

Something had to create gravity? Says who?

You can't have a creation without a creator, true enough, however something has to be created to be a creation (and in turn have a creator). Since you can't prove that the universe was created, you can't use the existence of the universe as proof of a Creator.

You are employing a false argument--you are presupposing a Creator, which leads you to believe that there was a creation, then using that creation as proof of a Creator.

Answer 4

150 years ago, we didn't know about bacteria. No clue. It wasn't understood until Louis Pasteur determined that germs caused disease.

You are asking the same questions that scientists ask. You have, however, asked this in the Religion & Spirituality section, where we are mostly humanities majors, not biologists or physicists. Would you come to R&S to find out what opus number was Mozart's 40th Symphony? I think not. You're asking us to play to our weakness. Quite frankly, you're being unfair.

So let me suggest two things:

1. If you are serious about wanting to know the current evidence-based understanding on the origins of the universe and on evolutionary theory, there are excellent descriptions found at http://www.talkorigins.org .

2. Consider that you are proposing (not so subtly) that anything that is not explained is a place for God to be discovered. This is commonly referred to in ontology as "the god of the gaps" theory. It typically assigns God to any blank space that science has not yet reached useful conclusions. Remember what I said about disease? Before bacteria were discovered, it was assumed God was punishing the ill, or that they were demon possessed, or some other supernatural phenomenon caused sickness. This is the same god of the gaps.

Science never assumes, and should never assume, anything is supernatural. The purpose of science is to discover through measured observation, testing, and repetition what natural causes lead to our natural world. If you impose a statement "God caused it," then this stops the search for knowledge, because God is ultimately unknowable. This is the reason that the "god of the gaps" theory is discounted among learned ontological academicians, and is ignored by science.

Answer 5

If you sincerely care about getting scientific answers, the first thing you NEED to do is separate all these different creation questions ... that's what scientists do. Just lumping all scientists (and people who believe in science) under the general category 'evolutionist' is unfair. Science has very different answers for the origins of gravity and matter, vs. the origins of life vs. the origins of species (evolution) ... those are three *very* different questions with *very* different answers. The answers to one are not dependent on the answers to the other two.

Answer 6

No we evolutionists can't explain creation properly, the way the laws of fisics just seem to work perfectly properly, there are some hipotesis, but i don't think much of them.

As regarding life, i keep telling (writing) here on R&S, there is no good theory how it was originated.

BUT, i don't know just what that has to do with evolution. There is overwhelming evidence for evolution and that has nothing to do with God or the laws of physics. Why do call your question to be awnsered by evolutionists rather than atheists? Its really sad that most people can't diferenciate between them, personally, every single time I study evolution, the way it works and its marvelous results I can't help but to thank God for how beautiful life is.

Answer 7

The earth's placement in the solar system and the effect of the axis is what created gravity, and matter was born of the forming of the earth. Did you take Earth Science in school? It all is explained in the text. God doesn't seem to mentioned.

Answer 8

The universe is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning an the end. It has always been and alway will be......

You know this sounds just about a dumb as when the christians say it.

My real answer.... I don't know and I am not so ashamed to say it that I will make up some lame story to cover it up.

Answer 9

ok, let's start with the law of the conservation of matter. it states in the universe matter can neither be created nor destroyed. that being said, the same amount of matter that is in the universe right now is the same amount of matter that was in it one second ago. right? so you can go back second by second or eon by eon and you will find that the same amount of matter has existed for all eternity.

Answer 10

Evolution has nothing to do with gravity and matter. Sorry but your question(s) is/are all over the place.

Answer 11

Why does there have to be a creator? You can say that there was always a creator, or a God, that the creator always existed. However if you can say that then why can't it be that the universe has always existed?